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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274332 Archived-At: On 08.09.2021 09:39, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Richard Stallman >> Cc: eliz@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, danflscr@gmail.com, >> lokedhs@gmail.com, yantar92@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, >> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca >> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2021 23:22:22 -0400 >> >> > > Let's announce on info-gnu that we tentatively plan to make this the >> > > default in Emacs 28, and ask users to try it now and tell us now if >> > > they see a reason to change that plan. > > Btw, it's becoming too late for Emacs 28, as we intend to cut the > release branch this month, barring some grave problems. Not sure how long we are supposed to wait for objections, but if nothing substantial comes in the next few days, we'll still have some time. >> > info-gnu or info-gnu-emacs? >> >> I think I had in mind info-gnu so lots of people would see it. >> But it could be info-gnu-emacs. > > I think info-gnu-emacs is more appropriate. We could also cross-post > to help-gnu-emacs, for wider audience. > >> I was trying to suggest this, not insist. >> If Eli decides to do this, I am sure he can. > > Everyone can post to info-gnu-emacs. Messages there are held for > moderation, but guess who is the moderator. > > So, Dmitry, if you think it's a good idea, please go ahead and post. Now sent.