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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
Cc: "Clément Pit-Claudel" <cpitclaudel@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Sandbox subr-x? (was: `thunk-let'?)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 15:54:48 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <322d40f7-de9a-4841-99ec-2b92fec438d7@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87efp7vyny.fsf_-_@web.de>

> > I questioned only the purpose of having a library, apparently
> > `subr.el',
> 
> (I think you mean subr-x.)

Yes, I do; sorry.

> > whose _purpose_ is to act as a sort of sandbox of stuff that, for
> > whatever reason, someone doesn't consider quite ready for primetime.
> 
> I don't have a strong opinion about it.  But I think the approach works:
> interested people use this stuff - privately, but also in Emacs - and
> the stuff develops.  Stuff that proved useful can later be moved to
> other places.  OTOH, if you think about things that happened there (like
> `when-let' and `if-let' having been obsoleted and replaced by `if-let*',
> `when-let*' and `and-let*', not long after that had been added), it is
> not too bad that not every Emacs user and package developer had already
> used it.

If it works, it works.  I can't argue much with that.

I think that if Emacs dev thinks a sandbox is helpful then it should
just use GNU ELPA, or a specific `sandbox' part of GNU ELPA, for that,
instead of a single file, `subr-x.el' that is part of the distributed
Emacs-Lisp code.

Better to put stuff being experimented with in files with names
related to that stuff, whether temporary or not.  Having a single 
sack of anythings named `subr-x.el' is not a great idea.

> But maybe subr-x is also a symptom of limited manpower: if we had hordes
> of people volunteering writing and updating documentation, we would
> probably be less reluctant to fully integrate and document this stuff in
> the first place.

That's not my position, at least.  I don't think the current
state of having a single `subr-x.el' sandbox delivered as part
of Emacs follows from having limited manpower or would be
finessed by having more manpower.

(And something half-developed can also be half-documented...)



  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-09 23:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-08 20:12 `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-10-08 22:25 ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-10-09  3:10 ` `thunk-let'? Stefan Monnier
2017-10-09 11:40   ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-10-09 14:07     ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-10-09 14:27       ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-10-09 15:38     ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] `thunk-let'? Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 17:22       ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-08 18:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-09 15:14           ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-09 18:39             ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-09 18:48               ` `thunk-let'? Stefan Monnier
2017-11-22  2:50                 ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-22  3:43                   ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-22 16:16                     ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-22 19:25                       ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-22 20:00                         ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-23  2:59                       ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-23  4:15                         ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-23 16:34                           ` `thunk-let'? Pip Cet
2017-11-23 23:41                             ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-24  8:37                               ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-24  8:51                                 ` `thunk-let'? Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24  9:16                                   ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-24 13:33                                     ` `thunk-let'? Stefan Monnier
2017-11-27  5:21                                 ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-27 13:34                                   ` `thunk-let'? Stefan Monnier
2017-11-27 15:44                                     ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-30 15:19                                       ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-24  8:36                           ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-30 15:17                             ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-30 16:06                               ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-01  8:02                                 ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-23 16:04                         ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-22 17:44                   ` `thunk-let'? Gemini Lasswell
2017-11-22 18:04                     ` `thunk-let'? Noam Postavsky
2017-11-22 18:31                       ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-22 18:29                     ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-22 19:54                     ` `thunk-let'? Stefan Monnier
2017-11-22 22:47                       ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-10 10:01             ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-08 18:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-08 22:22           ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-08 23:06             ` `thunk-let'? Drew Adams
2017-11-09 17:20             ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-09 17:39               ` `thunk-let'? Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-09 18:06                 ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-09 21:05                   ` `thunk-let'? Drew Adams
2017-11-09 23:07                     ` Sandbox subr-x? (was: `thunk-let'?) Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-09 23:54                       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2017-11-10  7:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-09 21:48                   ` `thunk-let'? Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-09 22:43                     ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-10  7:48                     ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-09 18:14               ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-09 20:26                 ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-09 23:13                   ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-10  7:58                     ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-11 15:20                       ` `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-11 15:40                         ` `thunk-let'? Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-10 10:10               ` `thunk-let'? Nicolas Petton
2017-11-09 14:34           ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] `thunk-let'? Michael Heerdegen
2017-11-09 17:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-09 15:19           ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-10-09  8:00 ` `thunk-let'? Nicolas Petton
2017-12-08 20:38 ` A generalization of `thunk-let' (was: `thunk-let'?) Michael Heerdegen
2017-12-08 21:16   ` A generalization of `thunk-let' Stefan Monnier
2017-12-09 10:33     ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-12-10  4:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10  5:34         ` John Wiegley
2017-12-12 14:41         ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-12-13 13:52           ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-12-13 14:09             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-13 14:37               ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-01-12 20:03     ` Michael Heerdegen
2017-12-09 21:59   ` A generalization of `thunk-let' (was: `thunk-let'?) Richard Stallman
2017-12-10 17:03     ` A generalization of `thunk-let' Michael Heerdegen

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