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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120452 Archived-At: > On May 17, 2019, at 5:50, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: >=20 >> so we need to offer some advantage on the first >> try over the others to keep the users. >=20 > Emacs provides some advantages, but they are not apparent until you > experience them. That's a problem for people grown on a culture of > instant gratification. Emacs appeals to certain type of users who > understand that gains require efforts. I find that comment extremely condescending. If "instant gratification" means finding a common ground on which one = can get started right away, then I'm all for it. Considering the state of affairs, emacs seems first to appeal to people = who want to give priority to free software, at the *cost* of ease of = use. Access to free software should never be the sole privilege of "users who = understand that gains require efforts". Quite the opposite. > The really big problem is that Emacs no longer compete on areas were = it used to bring the largest gains. Other editors largely surpassed = Emacs' gains while requiring less effort. Eli earlier clearly identified a number of areas where emacs required = huge and totally undue efforts to get the thing to work as expected in = the 21st century.=20 Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune