From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
Cc: Roland Winkler <winkler@gnu.org>, 21563@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#21563: 24.5; discourage load-hook variables
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:24:10 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <320a9fa6-6419-420e-ac97-9dcbe54a04a6@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87muaoz2qu.fsf@marxist.se>
> Interesting. Since they also seem to be prone to cause problems like
> in Bug#24491, perhaps it is indeed better to get rid of them. They do
> look crufty and redundant once you start reviewing them in context --
> with no clear benefit.
>
> I believe Drew already pointed out that any use of them could be
> easily replaced by (with-)?eval-after-load.
No. I didn't say anything about "any use of them".
I said only that the behavior that a load hook isn't invoked
if the library has already been loaded can be realized by
using conditional code inside `(with-)?eval-after-load'.
A load hook is a function. Code can invoke it anytime, in
any context. It has no predefined behavior, on its own -
in particular, nothing like `(with-)?eval-after-load'
behavior. The only similarity is that by convention a load
hook is invoked at the end of a Lisp file. But nothing
prevents using a (funcall dired-load-hook) anywhere.
This is not to say that we really need to be able to do
that. It's just to say that there's no way to claim that
`(with-)?eval-after-load' can be made to do what a load
hook does, in general.
I don't have a giant objection to doing what you're talking
about doing. But I think it's unfortunate, and little, if
anything, is really gained. Who knows what 3rd-party code
out there makes use of such hooks? And again, they're easy
for users to discover. And I think they're likely to be
used by code, and not just in init files. That's not so
true of `(with-)?eval-after-load' (explicitly discouraged).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-01-16 0:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-25 18:57 bug#21563: 24.5; discourage load-hook variables Roland Winkler
2020-01-15 19:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-15 20:21 ` Drew Adams
2020-01-15 20:42 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-16 0:27 ` Roland Winkler
2020-01-15 22:06 ` Glenn Morris
2020-01-16 0:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-16 0:24 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-01-16 0:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-16 3:56 ` Drew Adams
2020-01-16 13:33 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-16 16:15 ` Drew Adams
2020-01-16 20:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-16 21:08 ` Drew Adams
2020-01-16 0:31 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-16 4:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-16 9:07 ` Roland Winkler
2020-04-26 14:33 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-20 17:16 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-16 11:49 ` Mauro Aranda
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