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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327367 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Even worse, there are people on the lis who do not block nonfree > > > Javascript in their browsers. By referring to that site, you are > > > promoting the use of nonfree software! And, in the process, > > > legitimizing the use and distrbution of nonfree software -- which is > > > the direct opposite of the goal of GNU. > > > People promote non-free software all the on this list e.g. with > > @gmail in their addresses or talk about non-free operating systems. > > There's even a package solely to support non-free software in Elpa. > > I think we are miscommunicating. Promoting nonfree software, in the > GNU Project, is much more specific than you envision. It means urging > users to do something (now, or later) in a way that involves _their_ > running nonfree software. If you tell people to look at that page on > https://justpaste.it/, you're directing _them_ to run its nonfree > Javascript code. You don't have to load the nono-free JavaScript if you open such a website. Disabling JavaScript when opening a website containing non-free is the best option I think. I get it's a however If a user sends mail from a non-free service such as Gmail it makes most users send data to these kinds of companies. But is something we can't avoid, the comparison doesn't exactly hold up I get that now. > Just talking about some nonfree software is not promoting it unless > you encourage or direct people to use it. For instance, mentioning > Windows or MacOS as part of making GNU Emacs run on them, or saying > that it does, is not promoting those systems. Sending mail that says > it is from gmail doesn't direct other people to use gmail -- they can > receive that message using any email facility. > > Please read the node References in the GNU Coding Standards for > explanation of this concept. With that explanation you'll understand > what this issue is about. > > > There's even a package solely to support non-free software in Elpa. > > That _might_ be promoting nonfree software, or might not, depending on > details of what that package does. Perhaos it mainly encourages > people who use that nonfree software to use Emacs with it. That is a > good thing to do. At time the limit of inclusion of such software or specific vendor dialect of existing standards such as OAuth2 was frowned upon. To me what you describe sounds similar to support i.e. Microsoft specific dialects of OAuth2. > I would like to take a look at it and see what it does. > What is its name? The name is excorporate.