Why can't unset C-j in help mode like other modes?

Why can't unset C-j in help mode like other modes?

[seberino]

I successfully unset C-j in other modes but the same trick doesn't
work in help mode?!? Why is that?...

(add-hook 'help-mode-hook  (lambda () (define-key help-mode-map
                                                                   [?
\C-j] nil)))

Chris

RE: Why can't unset C-j in help mode like other modes?

[Drew Adams]

> I successfully unset C-j in other modes but the same trick doesn't
> work in help mode?!? Why is that?...
> 
> (add-hook 'help-mode-hook
>           (lambda () (define-key help-mode-map [?\C-j] nil)))

In *Help*, do `C-h k C-j'. You'll see this:

,----
| C-j runs the command View-scroll-line-forward
|   which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `view.el'.
| It is bound to RET, C-j.
`----

Or do `C-h m' and look for LFD (which is `C-j'). You'll see that it is not
listed in the description of Help mode. You'll find it under the description of
View minor mode:

,----
| RET, LFD  scroll forward one line.  With prefix scroll forward prefix line(s).
`----

IOW, the `C-j' binding is not in help-mode-map; it is in view-mode-map.

Re: Why can't unset C-j in help mode like other modes?

[Xah Lee]

On Dec 15, 2:12 pm, "Drew Adams" <drew.ad...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > I successfully unset C-j in other modes but the same trick doesn't
> > work in help mode?!? Why is that?...
>
> > (add-hook 'help-mode-hook
> >           (lambda () (define-key help-mode-map [?\C-j] nil)))
>
> In *Help*, do `C-h k C-j'. You'll see this:
>
> ,----
> | C-j runs the command View-scroll-line-forward
> |   which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `view.el'.
> | It is bound to RET, C-j.
> `----
>
> Or do `C-h m' and look for LFD (which is `C-j'). You'll see that it is not
> listed in the description of Help mode. You'll find it under the description of
> View minor mode:
>
> ,----
> | RET, LFD  scroll forward one line.  With prefix scroll forward prefix line(s).
> `----
>
> IOW, the `C-j' binding is not in help-mode-map; it is in view-mode-map.

Adding to what Drew said...

Emacs does not have a mechanically enforced relation of mode name and
its key map name. So, xyz-mode's keymap can be anything. By
convention, it's usually “-map” appended to the value of “major-mode”.
“shell” is a example of exceptions to this. It uses comint-mode-map.

in practice, to find the map used in a major mode, you just look at
the source code and search for “-map”. The mode may be derived from
other mode, so you will look at the parent mode's source code. Also, a
mode may share keymap used by other modes.

  Xah
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