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Beyond trying to remember, using current terminology is sends the =
message that Emacs is old, stubborn, and crufty, which is a problem when =
trying to introduce new users to Emacs.

On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> =
wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> What confusion?  Is there really a problem?  Are you sure?
>=20
> I've been dealing with newbie Emacs questions and confusion
> for as long as most of you, and I don't think I have ever
> encountered a user who had difficulting understanding what
> we mean, once the terms are presented.
>=20
> The difficulty is not understanding, but rather remembering. "What a =
h-ll did they call that?"
>=20


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">Beyond trying to remember, using current terminology is sends the =
message that Emacs is old, stubborn, and crufty,&nbsp;which is a problem =
when trying to introduce new users to =
Emacs.<div><br><div></div><div><div>On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Lennart =
Borgman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:lennart.borgman@gmail.com">lennart.borgman@gmail.com</a>&gt=
; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Drew Adams <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:drew.adams@oracle.com" target=3D"_blank"=
 =
onclick=3D"window.open('https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=3Dcm&amp;tf=3D1=
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What confusion? &nbsp;Is there really a problem? &nbsp;Are you sure?<br>
<br>
I've been dealing with newbie Emacs questions and confusion<br>
for as long as most of you, and I don't think I have ever<br>
encountered a user who had difficulting understanding what<br>
we mean, once the terms are presented.<br><br></blockquote><div>The =
difficulty is not understanding, but rather remembering. "What a h-ll =
did they call that?"<br><br></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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