From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:50:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3093429F14FC4731AF4D47584B16FCF2@us.oracle.com> References: <87a9uwumbv.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix><87bofbv7xe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352224222 10303 80.91.229.3 (6 Nov 2012 17:50:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:50:22 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Adrian Robert'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 06 18:50:31 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TVnIE-0001HS-W9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:50:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44724 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVnI6-0003sx-5K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:50:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52248) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVnI0-0003s7-Ku for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:50:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVnHz-00028K-Bj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:50:16 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1050.oracle.com ([141.146.126.70]:17288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVnHz-00027X-5O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:50:15 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com (aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69]) by aserp1050.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qA6HoDnx009160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:50:13 GMT Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qA6Ho83J017402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:50:09 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qA6Ho8Fp026829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:50:08 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qA6Ho8JH026496; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 11:50:08 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.188.45) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:50:08 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac28Q5019ql5ykyuSs6mUlxXr96nKAAAbycw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.70 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154702 Archived-At: > by the time computers were developed it's doubtful many people > had so much as SEEN a scroll in real life. FWIW - 1. Long after the advent and even the widespread use of digital computers, many of us came into frequent contact (e.g., in school) with so-called "overhead projectors", which projected light through transparencies onto a screen or wall. It was not uncommon for the projector to be outfitted with a transparency roll, on which the presentor wrote with a grease pencil or a marker during projection, and which the presenter scrolled using a hand crank. Scrolling was typically right-to-left; that is, the projected images moved toward the left, with fresh, unmarked transparency moving in from the right. The viewport thus moved to the right through the images/text, though no one would have spoken, in that context, of a viewport. 2. Others of us have used film in movie projectors or film splicers. Likewise tape recorders and players, on down to cassette tapes of various sorts. All scrolls by another name, though no one would have spoken of them using that term.