From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Cyrus Harmon Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: carbon build hangs on startup Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:08:07 -0700 Message-ID: <306B6695-B4CF-4C9B-8979-2CBD3240BBE8@bobobeach.com> References: <200710062009.l96K9uNb021892@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <864ph32cds.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> <86ir5i1fgu.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1192075721 21578 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2007 04:08:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Randal L. Schwartz" To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 11 06:08:40 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IfpLj-0008Fg-8E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:08:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfpLd-0006he-6D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:08:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IfpLZ-0006f4-Hi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:08:29 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IfpLY-0006eL-QB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:08:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfpLY-0006eI-Kd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:08:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.cyrusharmon.org ([64.62.142.89]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IfpLY-00061c-2t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:08:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.cyrusharmon.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cyrusharmon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9E71CC42; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.69] (adsl-68-121-172-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.121.172.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.cyrusharmon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B931CC3E; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:07:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80574 Archived-At: I've been using this build for a few days now. IMHO, it would be nice if this were merged with the current CVS version. This would certainly be preferable to an abandoned, no-longer functioning Carbon port. Cyrus On Oct 7, 2007, at 8:59 PM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:56:49 -0700, merlyn@stonehenge.com >>>>>> (Randal L. Schwartz) said: > > YAMAMOTO> Of course it's up to you whether to make such a plea. But > YAMAMOTO> keep in mind that developers' time and effort for multi-tty > YAMAMOTO> and Unicode support on the Carbon port might be wasted if > YAMAMOTO> the Cocoa/GNUStep port becomes good enough for Emacs 23. I > YAMAMOTO> don't think it's a good idea to invest them in catching up > YAMAMOTO> with the trunk NOW. > > YAMAMOTO> The situation is different from that of pre-22: we have a > YAMAMOTO> brand-new first stable release version running on the Mac > YAMAMOTO> native window system and ordinary Mac users don't need to > YAMAMOTO> use the CVS version, there's an alternative, and the next > YAMAMOTO> major release does not happen too soon. > >> So, you're saying that there will be a non-X11 version of Emacs for >> OSX in the works, even though it's not usable just yet? Do you have >> an idea of when it might be usable? > > I'm not saying it is not "usable". You can try and see it yourself by > downloading it from http://emacs-app.sourceforge.net/. I think it's > too early to judge if it becomes good enough for Emacs 23. > > YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu > mituaharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-devel mailing list > Emacs-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel