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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com,
	pipcet@protonmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Some experience with the igc branch
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:30:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3056b6f4-1986-4fb2-b961-aa371e6016b3@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86r05qpa7e.fsf@gnu.org>

On 12/29/24 11:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> if a non-main thread's Lisp function keeps running forever,
> never calling any primitives that release the lock, that thread will
> run forever, and the main thread will never get a chance.  Lisp
> programs that cause this are considered buggy, of course.
> 
>> I don't see this issue documented explicitly in doc/elisp/threads.texi.
>> Should it be?
> I will have an opinion when I better understand what "it" is in this
> case.  I hope this is just a misunderstanding.

It's the issue summarized in your paragraph that I quoted above, along 
with its consequences, which are obvious to someone who knows how Emacs 
Lisp threads work but not so obvious to newcomers who may have several 
notions of "threads" rattling around in their heads.

It's not just that the main thread never gets a chance: it's that 
signals are effectively ignored.

Does the same thing happen with C-g? If so, I'd think that should also 
be documented in threads.texi.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-29 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-22 15:40 Some experience with the igc branch Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-22 17:18 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 17:29 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 17:41 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 17:56   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 19:11   ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-23  0:05     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23  1:00       ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-24 22:34         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25  4:25           ` Freezing frame with igc Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 11:19             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 11:55             ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-23  3:42       ` Some experience with the igc branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23  6:27     ` Jean Louis
2024-12-22 20:29   ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-22 20:50   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 22:26     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23  3:23       ` Gerd Möllmann
     [not found]         ` <m234ieddeu.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <87ttaueqp9.fsf@protonmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <m2frme921u.fsf@gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <87ldw6ejkv.fsf@protonmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <m2bjx2h8dh.fsf@gmail.com>
2024-12-23 14:45                   ` Make Signal handling patch platform-dependent? Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 14:54                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 15:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 13:35       ` Some experience with the igc branch Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 14:03         ` Discussion with MPS people Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 14:04           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 15:07         ` Some experience with the igc branch Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 15:26           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 16:03             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 16:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 17:16                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 18:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 18:48                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 19:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 20:30                     ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-23 23:39                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 12:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 13:18                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 13:42                           ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-24  3:37                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24  8:48                         ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-24 13:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 13:54                             ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2024-12-23 17:44               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 19:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 19:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 20:49                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-23 21:43                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-23 21:49                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-23 21:58                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-23 23:20                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24  5:38                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-24  6:27                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 10:09                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24  4:05                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24  8:50                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24  6:03                     ` SIGPROF + SIGCHLD and igc Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24  8:23                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-24  8:39                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25  9:22                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25  9:43                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 10:46                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 12:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:59                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27  8:08                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27  8:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 14:53                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 15:09                             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 15:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 18:50                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-29 19:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 19:34                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-29 20:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 20:50                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27  8:55                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 15:40                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-27 15:53                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 11:36                         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 16:14                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 10:02                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 10:50                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 13:52                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 14:25                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 16:46                                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 17:35                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 18:08                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 19:00                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 19:28                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 19:32                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 19:51                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-28 20:43                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29  5:44                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 12:15                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 20:44                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 15:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 16:46                                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-30 17:47                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 17:53                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2024-12-30 18:25                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 21:04                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 12:35                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-31 13:57                                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-31 14:20                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 23:37                   ` Some experience with the igc branch Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24  4:03                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 10:25                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 10:50                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 12:56                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:19                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-24 13:38                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 13:46                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-24 14:12                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 14:40                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25  4:56                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 12:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 12:50                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 13:00                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 13:08                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 13:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 14:07                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 14:43                                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 14:59                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 20:44                                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-26  6:29                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  8:02                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-26  9:32                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 12:24                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-26 15:23                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 23:29                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-27  7:57                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 19:34                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-28  8:06                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 20:44                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-29  5:47                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 19:09                                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-29 19:20                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 19:30                                                                               ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2024-12-29 20:01                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30  7:55                                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2024-12-25 15:02                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 13:09                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 13:46                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 14:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 14:57                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 15:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 15:49                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 17:26                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  5:25                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26  7:43                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  7:57                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 11:56                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 15:27                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-26 19:51                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27  9:45                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 13:56                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 15:01                                                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 15:28                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 15:47                                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 16:18                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28  9:10                                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-28  9:20                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28  9:24                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 16:05                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 17:00                                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 16:37                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 17:26                                                                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 19:12                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28  7:36                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 12:35                                                                         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 12:51                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 13:13                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  9:29                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 13:12                                                                         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 14:08                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 18:21                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-27 19:23                                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 20:28                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 10:39                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 11:07                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 11:23                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 14:04                                                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 14:25                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-28 16:27                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  6:08                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 17:40                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 17:51                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 15:24                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-26 15:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 14:34                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-27 15:58                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-27 16:42                                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-28 18:02                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28 21:05                                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29  6:15                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 12:39                                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-29 13:52                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-29 17:14                                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-26  5:27                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26  5:29                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 21:18                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25  5:23                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 10:48                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-25 13:40                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-25 17:03                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-26  5:22                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26  7:33                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26  8:02                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 15:50                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-26 16:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 19:40                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 17:01                                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-26 19:45                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 20:05                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-26 20:12                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-26 16:12                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-26 17:05                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 11:48                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-25 11:58                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-25 12:52                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 12:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-25 12:54                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-24 12:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-12-27  9:49 Sean Devlin
2024-12-27 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-28  1:55   ` Sean Devlin

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