From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PPAATT@aol.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bindings reserved for users Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:47:37 EDT Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <30.25761a54.29f08ae9@aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019162903 7656 127.0.0.1 (18 Apr 2002 20:48:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16yIpL-0001zN-00 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:48:23 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16yJ8g-0002pW-00 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:08:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16yIp9-0000iD-00; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:48:11 -0400 Original-Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16yIor-0000gV-00; Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:47:53 -0400 Original-Received: from PPAATT@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id i.30.25761a54 (4394); Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE, rms@gnu.org X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2755 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2755 > > > ( C-h i m emacs RET m keymaps RET ) > > > ... As a user, you can redefine any key; > > > but it might be best to stick to key > > > sequences that consist of `C-c' > > > followed by a letter ... > > followed by a (lowercase or uppercase) letter. ... > I was confused about this issue ... Me too. >From context I understood this English was meant to be restricted to only=20 letters that happen to appear as labels of keys of an actual keyboard. =20 (True/false?) Here that means QWERTYUIOP ASDFGHJKL=D1 ZXCVBNM=C7. That is, the [A-Z] of a= n=20 English keyboard plus =D1 and =C7 (i.e. add English N with ~ tilde above and= add=20 English C with , cedilla below). By associating GNU Emacs with Massachusetts I was able to guess further that= =20 the meaning here was the more restrictive [a-zA-Z] or [a-z], but as yet I'm=20 too stunningly ignorant of Emacs to know how to resolve this ambiguity over=20 upper/lower case myself. As we speak, gnu.emacs.help folk at http://groups.google.com/groups?as_usubject=3DInsert%20key%20should%20be are busy explaining to me that C-h b describe-bindings is not a good way for= =20 me to try and predict C-h k describe-key results. Also that I can't reasonably expect a computer to know what kind of keyboard= =20 is connected to it. To my ignorant eye, C-h k describe-key claims like: overwrite-mode is on insert C-c C-h is undefined appear to be lies. I have no Insert key, and C-c C-h is the only technique I've found yet for=20 listing what key sequences prefixed by C-c are bound for me by default. gnu.emacs.help folk are working to clue me in. > http://members.aol.com/plforth/moforth/index.html > http://members.aol.com/plforth/moforth/20020325/ofemacs.txt I'm returning to Emacs after an eight year absence, because I need a=20 reasonably capable source code editor to run inside Apple OpenFirmware boot=20 Forth. > an eight year absence http://members.aol.com/plscsi/emacs/emacs-deja-vu.html Pat LaVarre