From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Browne Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Thinking of Converting to EShell - Opinions? Date: 17 Aug 2004 23:52:59 GMT Organization: cbbrowne Computing Inc Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <2ofk2rFa4eevU2@uni-berlin.de> References: <1092764940.460278@sj-nntpcache-5> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1092786995 15379 80.91.224.253 (17 Aug 2004 23:56:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 18 01:56:31 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BxDoc-0001kl-00 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:56:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BxDsn-0002fA-NX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:00:49 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!proxad.net!fr.ip.ndsoftware.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Qm4cTi2bSDk8DHJn/OJGpAswYy/AS7hbW8YqvUxGzo6SYJJje/ X-Draft-From: ("nnvirtual:Emacs" 143) X-message-flag: Outlook is rather hackable, isn't it? X-Home-Page: http://www.cbbrowne.com/info/ X-Affero: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=cbbrowne Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.emacs:85853 gnu.emacs.help:124816 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:20163 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:20163 In an attempt to throw the authorities off his trail, "Tennis Smith" transmitted: > I've used tcsh for years. But it looks like the eshell is finally > mature enough to be a good alternative. Is it? Can you use it on a > daily basis without having to switch back? Is the conversion worth > the effort? I considered that once, but couldn't find documentation I liked on how to use looping constructs and such, and gave up. Unfortunately, the Info material is nearly useless, at least what was included with the version running with XEmacs that I have installed. The case I'd see FOR it is if you have a great deal of existing ELisp code you'd like to use when scripting. Absent that, running zsh or the likes in a shell buffer would seem to me to be more useful in providing traditional shell-oriented capabilities. And if I wanted to script in Lisp, I'd much rather use either CLISP or CMUCL as the basis... -- (format nil "~S@~S" "cbbrowne" "ntlug.org") http://cbbrowne.com/info/languages.html How does the guy who drives the snowplow get to work in the mornings?