From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28048: 26.0.50; behaviour of C-h f semantic-mode Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2ka834hedt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87poc22mjg.fsf@holos> <2mlgmq14t5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87poc2qdlj.fsf@holos> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1502559795 24069 195.159.176.226 (12 Aug 2017 17:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:43:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) Cc: 28048@debbugs.gnu.org To: Mark Oteiza Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 12 19:43:11 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaRD-0005ak-53 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 19:43:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43818 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaRJ-0002Ig-HY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:43:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaRD-0002I9-VU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaRC-0002xE-Oj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:48695) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaRC-0002x8-LF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaRC-0004G2-EU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:43:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28048 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 28048-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28048.150255974116360 (code B ref 28048); Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 28048) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2017 17:42:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQW-0004Fo-MI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34838) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQU-0004Fi-Nu for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQO-0002p3-6W for 28048@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53025) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQK-0002oI-3X; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dgaQI-0006oR-HS; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:42:06 -0400 X-Spook: Colombia Geraldton explosive Operation Iraqi Freedom X-Ran: X47U`%65x!uWCzsaiP"GVIn$E/49^@v;5NdIHS>PuQO662e!C=ZI5+vbgC>m0G{4OxIt7S X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <87poc2qdlj.fsf@holos> (Mark Oteiza's message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:22:00 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:135697 Archived-At: Mark Oteiza wrote: > I suppose the complaint is that "loading" semantic (or whatever happens > to get loaded when trying to get help on the semantic-mode function) is > invoking a python process. emacs -Q -l lisp/cedet/semantic/wisent/python.el starts a python process due to semantic-python-get-system-include-path and its use of python-shell-internal-send-string. Doesn't seem like a bug to me? > Is there a bug associated with the new C-h f behaviour? I don't know, is there? ;) > Loading libraries unexpectedly sounds bad. I think you'll have to give more details, because obviously someone (Stefan) thought this was a desirable feature. (The C-h f aspect does seem under-explained in NEWS, but that's par for the course. And IIUC it cannot be disabled, unlike the older feature controlled by help-enable-auto-load.)