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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315448 Archived-At: >> FYI, the claim "Sun C 5.8, a C99 compiler that does presently produce >> working Emacs builds" is pure fantasy, aka fabricated evidence. I had >> some free time today, I digged in my archives, and found a copy of >> Solaris 10 and Sun Studio 11, which I installed in a VM. The last >> Emacs version for which Sun C 5.8 produces a working Emacs build is... >> Emacs 24. >> >> Much ado about nothing. Somehow, I'm not surprised. > > Thanks for the information, but please avoid such sarcastic remarks > which border on ad-hominem, let alone accusations of "fabrication". We > should be able to have a discussion about technical issues without > resorting to personal attacks. > There are no accusations or personal attacks in what I said. I'm merely naming upleasant facts. Loudly and repeatedly making, to support one's viewpoint, a technical claim that proves to be just plain false, and doing that about a system configuration that is obscure enough that, in all likelihood, nobody on this list would have access to it, is precisely that: fabricating evidence out of thin air. However, there was indeed a (light) dose of sarcasm in what I said. We had been told, a few hours before my post, that either the C standards committee was wrong and overlooked significant information, or I was wrong and took their words out of their context [1]. Admire the "either / or": someone else must be wrong, there are no other conceivable possibilities. And note that we still haven't seen any of the alluded "significant information". A (light) dose of sarcasm seems appropriate to deal with such an arrogant attitude. [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-01/msg00617.html