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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294534 Archived-At: > > Well, actually instead of 16, since all the colours come in a normal and > a bright version. > Are these "bright" versions used by Emacs? I don't think so. > > But these 256 colours will be getting used, and that means work > configuring faces that are not satisfactory to the user in the 256 > colour version. > What do you mean? It's not more necessary to configure faces in a terminal than to configure faces under X. If you don't like the defaults, you can configure them, that's all. > > Here's the rub. The "pixelated" fonts were designed to be used in, say, > an 8x16 matrix, and work very well indeed. The "modern" fonts were > designed to be used in X, and work less well in fbterm on a pixelated > grid. > Not if you use monospaced fonts, which were designed to be used in terminals. > > All of the "modern" fonts available for fbterm on my machine are > "spidery" single pixel thick fonts. On the lat1-16 font I've been using > in consoles for decades, the lines are two pixels thick. I find this > much more readable. > Well, install another font? I'd recommend DejaVu Sans Mono. > > There are several. As mentioned above, you have to configure faces, > possibly a lot of them. > That's incorrect. You don't have to configure any faces, they come preconfigured, just like they are preconfigured under X and for a raw Linux console. > > There are all the problems with fonts. You've got to remember to hack > the fbterm binary each time a new version of fbterm comes out (unless > you've got a system like Gentoo, and arrange for this to happen > automatically). > If you follow the instructions in the FAQ entry, you won't have to remember any such hacks. > > I will probably continue using the plain Linux console, for all these > reasons. > You are of course free to do what you want, but you should not discourage others to try it.