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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: ASCII-only startup message?
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 16:17:39 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2dc99848-b6d5-4f53-b22c-66e29d15647c@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <567F22B1.9040702@cs.ucla.edu>

> > The ugliness argument was about the grave accent, `, not about
> > the apostrophe.
> 
> Although the ugliness argument is primarily about the grave
> accent, it is also about the apostrophe.  With most fonts
> “There’s” looks nicer than “There's”, and it’s better typography
> in English.

This is completely wrong.  Do you have a reference to back up
such a claim?

I have never seen any doc or typography guideline that favors
a quotation mark over an apostrophe for English contractions,
possessives, or non-word plurals.  Quite the contrary.  These
use cases are precisely the raison d'être for the apostrophe.

Start here: http://english.stackexchange.com/a/36048/51214

(And please consider fasting from kool-aid ASAP, would be my
recommendation.) 

> Either character will do, but there seems little point uglifying
> the former into the latter.

What was the point in uglifying the latter (apostrophe) into the
former (right single quotation mark)?

> To try to avoid spending more of our time about whether to use
> straight or curved apostrophes, I reworded the commentary to omit
> the apostrophes.  I tightened it up a bit while I was at it.

Hallelujah!  We are saved!  ASCII saves, and we can save as ASCII!

(But it is not about straight vs curved apostrophes.  Any ol'
apostrophe will do.  It's about apostrophes vs single quotation
marks.)

Anyway, it's the _wrong thing_.  Or if it helps you understand
better: it’s the _wrong thing_.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-27  0:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-26 17:25 ASCII-only startup message? Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 18:41   ` Random832
2015-12-26 18:50     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 19:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 19:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 18:45   ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 19:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 19:40       ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 20:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 23:28           ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27  0:17             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2015-12-27  1:03               ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-27  2:51                 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27  1:09               ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27 15:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 18:45                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27  6:58               ` Random832
2015-12-27 14:17                 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 14:55                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 16:35                     ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 17:42                       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 19:27                         ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 22:47                           ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 23:45                             ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28  2:01                               ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  5:51                                 ` Random832
2015-12-28 10:09                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  6:05                                 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28 10:13                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  9:12                                 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 10:15                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 14:59                                     ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 18:39                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29  9:06                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-28  9:37                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-28 10:16                               ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29  7:05                                 ` Random832
2015-12-29  8:01                                   ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-29 14:38                                     ` Random832
2015-12-29 15:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 17:05                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 18:00                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29 18:16                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 19:24                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 15:55                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 17:40                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 16:31                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27  3:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27  8:12               ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 20:04               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29  6:50                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-29 16:55                   ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 17:30                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 18:18                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-01 13:29                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-01 17:48                         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-01 17:50                           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-02  8:14                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 15:05                 ` Random832
2015-12-29 16:49                   ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                 ` <<n5u7gn$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
2015-12-29 17:46                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu>

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