> I would guess that anyone who is seriously interested in working with
> Clojure, would install the proper major mode and the proper package

That's one of the things that bother me the most in the conversations so far - lots of people tell us what the Clojure users need, but other than me and Danny, no one here has any real interest in Clojure. :-) Without an understanding of Clojure and its tooling ecosystem (and it's history) it's hard to make good suggestions about what makes sense and what doesn't. 

I already wrote we tried the "thin layer on top of lisp-mode" and this didn't worked out great in the past. Of course, people are welcome to try and learn from experience themselves if they thing they can do things better/differently. 

On Wed, Aug 30, 2023, at 9:17 AM, Philip Kaludercic wrote:
> João Távora <joaotavora@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 8:26 AM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> >>
> >> > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> >> > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> >> > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> >> >
> >> > It appears that there is no clojure-mode command in core Emacs.
> >> > There is a Clojure mode package, but it is in NonGNU ELPA.
> >> >
> >> > I think that language is important enough that, notwithstanding not
> >> > really being similar to Lisp, we ought to have a major mode to support it.
> >> > Would someone please work on that?
> >>
> >> I had brought this up in the recent clojure-ts-mode thread, that I
> >> assume you are referring to.  Sadly, I have no experience with the
> >> language, but one idea might be to extend lisp-data-mode by whatever the
> >
> > I don't know if this counts as "work on that" but here's two interesting lines
> > Elisp:
> >
> >   (define-derived-mode clojure-mode lisp-data-mode "Clojure"
> > "Barebones Clojure")
> >   (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.clj" . clojure-mode))
> 
> I suggested something along these lines up the thread, but didn't try it
> out myself.  Nice to see that the idea works.  To avoid confusion, I
> think it might be a good idea to not call this `clojure-mode' as well,
> but something like "clojure-proto-mode" or "primitive-clojure-mode".
> 
> > Since it is a lisp dialect many things works here, like indentation,
> > symbol recognition, parenthesis balancing, C-M navigation, and thing-at-point.
> >
> > And then there's LSP, right?
> >
> > So I installed clojure-lsp from here:
> > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/clojure-lsp-bin
> >
> > I created a hello world project with the "lein" tool, git init, found the
> > src/helloworld/core.clj inside it, pressed M-x eglot and suddenly I had
> > at-point-documentation, diagnostics, lots of refactorings, completion, etc.
> >
> > The thing that's a bit minimal is the syntax highlighting, but it's
> > not that bad either IMHO. Eglot doesn't yet support LSP-mandated syntax
> > highlighting.  I have no idea what it takes to add TreeSitter support
> > to such a bare-bones mode (but shouldn't it be really easy like mapping
> > syntactic symbols to faces?)
> >
> > No idea if this works with the CIDER or SLIME backends for clojure.
> > Don't ask me to test any more cause I've just uninstalled it all
> > but any clojurians rading can have a go.
> 
> I would guess that anyone who is seriously interested in working with
> Clojure, would install the proper major mode and the proper packages.
> 
> > João
> 
>