From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: adrians Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Help for eclipse Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cfe5201-407a-4f80-a6de-6ff3dc7d4382@googlegroups.com> References: <9bc9b6ed-e5c8-4c0c-949e-8bf90b096d5b@googlegroups.com> <87oay0721f.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1402455624 13176 80.91.229.3 (11 Jun 2014 03:00:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 03:00:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 11 05:00:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WuYlu-0006T2-Kd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 05:00:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43119 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WuYlu-0003od-AX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:00:18 -0400 X-Received: by 10.66.122.137 with SMTP id ls9mr2485545pab.17.1402455353397; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:55:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.17.100 with SMTP id n4mr565470igd.3.1402455353287; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!a13no921161igq.0!news-out.google.com!qf4ni19598igc.0!nntp.google.com!a13no921156igq.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: <87oay0721f.fsf@debian.uxu> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=74.200.7.145; posting-account=rPDTcAoAAAD0N_Y8rzOXFJGNoUEwqIAb Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.200.7.145 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 02:55:53 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:205866 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98136 Archived-At: Emanuel, so based on your extensive experience with Eclipse it's a total pa= in? Right. I can tell you from having used if for a heck of a lot longer th= an you used it for that, configured with the proper settings, it can be sig= nificantly snappier than Emacs - at least under Windows. In fact the genera= l clunkiness of Emacs' scrolling still bothers the heck out of me. As for w= hich of these two environments is easier to get accustomed to for someone n= ew to them, please don't suggest that it's Emacs. For years now, Eclipse ha= s had straightforward UI discoverability through the use of Ctrl-3 which al= lows you to search through all commands, views, menus, etc., from one spot. Just to be clear, I'm not contesting Emacs' greater extensibility and power= overall, just your statement that Eclipse is "a pain" and, by implication,= that Emacs is not, from a noob's perspective. On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:55:24 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote: > edu500ac@gmail.com writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I must have done something wrong, because Eclipse is >=20 > > proving to be very slow in my machine. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I don't think you did anything wrong. Eclipse is a >=20 > total pain. I only used it once in a school project >=20 > with a couple of people so for the sake of not making a >=20 > fuss I played along. I'm never doing that again, and my >=20 > experience with Eclipse told me there is absolutely no >=20 > hope for that piece of software. And it is of course no >=20 > coincidence that people use if for Java... >=20 >=20 >=20 > > While Emacs start up time is considerably less than 1 >=20 > > second >=20 >=20 >=20 > Also it doesn't really matter as the best usage is to >=20 > start it once, then keep it open. Don't use it to open >=20 > files from the shell, i.e., once for every file (or >=20 > group of files). Launch Emacs once automatically, then >=20 > open files from within Emacs. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > underground experts united: >=20 > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573