From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ken Manheimer" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: python.el fixes for Emacs 22 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:43:52 -0500 Message-ID: <2cd46e7f0802150943x46e9bcb0i4c3b6075d48cc979@mail.gmail.com> References: <87ve4sqsqe.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <18356.54892.186541.669277@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <861w7euz7a.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203097457 11462 80.91.229.12 (15 Feb 2008 17:44:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: sdl.web@gmail.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, Nick Roberts , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "David Kastrup" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 15 18:44:40 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JQ4bv-00047e-3P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:44:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JQ4bQ-0004Bj-Qb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:44:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JQ4bM-0004BS-3t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:43:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JQ4bK-0004B8-EL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:43:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JQ4bK-0004B5-9i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:43:54 -0500 Original-Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.176]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JQ4bK-0001h3-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:43:54 -0500 Original-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so1325733wah.10 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:43:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TLFpaVI7THd9WwvyGCxaRLrjTWohewLJ4cdbQYVHsxQ=; b=QuoLC02aBlkCrsR2Ktz+yFEjTXFng4JgDasbfg9ItQfMSVNh36Nrr/ftJ6PZ9XSBG4chkcgIAOK94XbQbJahO5JnvQPGSWYPzjknp78Fm5UI+NwdXivqQiPoJvg7NeGKnNN0avDQ9ECG0hCaxXpjWmfhCIkZfiLkMWIQZ+dek2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HgJuXLZ2RQn9c+dRPCfjVbtP3G8pH5pUWPWN7q72auAmbjFkx/lePYx5OVnQbCzAeBz7PNeHpbEG/qvUFKqvqvkDHzHdxid6d7lletJSyyi67O9zPvbQ9ck41LUitQxlY05Bl/C6Rztg6Oj1zEcMAeuRGMyFoqpqHhZkvMsGij8= Original-Received: by 10.115.54.1 with SMTP id g1mr2287951wak.133.1203097432068; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:43:52 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.114.160.13 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:43:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <861w7euz7a.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89170 Archived-At: On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:27 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: > > > Apart from Ken Manheimer, I have the impression that the > > developers of python-mode.el have a preference towards XEmacs and > > aren't interested in assigning copyright to FSF. > > > > That is too bad. > > "Not interested" need not be the same as "opposed to". No idea how the > situation is here. hi, all. sorry it's taken me a while to join this conversation. i adamantly want to see the pdbtrack functionality, which was integrated to python-mode.el, included in the python mode delivered with emacs. at one point it was integrated with the version of python.el that was supposed to be included with the release of emacs 22. i was perplexed and dismayed to discover, however, that somehow changed at the last moment, and it still hasn't been rectified. in general, i haven't understood why a version of python mode was created (python.el) separate from that of python-mode.el. python-mode.el is a pretty fine mode implementation, and (if i do say so myself), pdb tracking is worth as much as any mode feature, for those of us familiar with it. it looks like the reason for the separate implementation of python.el had something to do with problems getting copyright assignments. i think that could be settled, and probably could help with that, but now we have two separate python mode implementations, and i don't know how to resolve the choice between them. in any case, i *do* want to see pdb tracking included in whichever. as the author of the feature, i should be able to authorize its use wherever, and am frustrated with the twisty turns of events that have prevented that. while my time is limited for reimplementing it, i can probably help with that and/or with seeing about getting license assignment for python-mode.el. -- ken manheimer http://myriadicity.net