From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ken Manheimer" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Reordering etc/NEWS Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:39:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2cd46e7f0705101039i79c7d541ye62c288aa0ec5020@mail.gmail.com> References: <2wmz0iriyj.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <876470ekuz.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178818784 747 80.91.229.12 (10 May 2007 17:39:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 10 19:39:40 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HmCc7-0005Wb-SD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 19:39:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmCjS-0001Ss-4n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HmCjL-0001Qi-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:47:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HmCjJ-0001Pk-Id for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:47:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HmCjJ-0001Ph-CY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:47:05 -0400 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.251]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HmCby-0000zu-79 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:39:30 -0400 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c17so190043anc for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:39:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UkqpMLYUo9a3UMTcJZoTqCjOzBGYfSbHF3YwhhNGpUbbhsScxYPeaYLKvTqGjPzJ3yM0uNTKcmqcoxW31xE8IqZxKgNf22qF7uBc6smW/rgfDMtY6jeyXE+ykZujVdpsbZb7mzR6ut/G2vvXt6Ybzt1UyFFZ2WTawIrZLV1Lsbs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C94ch/tP/DP9+3NT0MEgOUx5Aqh75F/BfGE6HabgzjUerzpfaUzZu6dVWRUV8qwA1Jd94g4DCzvP4SNksvua6g4fppmsW+eeOIfXb2ejT0ASuFpupEfxuUurcDsjCoI0ZGyh1fclucdpQQ1y5x769AfnbxrK0hZ3+b6ZuGogF+g= Original-Received: by 10.100.8.18 with SMTP id 18mr1534272anh.1178818766900; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.9.13 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:39:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <876470ekuz.fsf@red-bean.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:70772 Archived-At: this doesn't seem to me to be a good time to try to settle problems with the development process. it's unprecedented that a single, finite issue has been identified as being the only release blocker, and there is a lot of tension built up around the release and the process. it looks like there will be genuine opportunity to address the development process after the release, and the facts of the way the process has gone are not going to fade. sometimes you have to wait. more. personally, i urgently want the pending multi-tty capabilities (http://lorentey.hu/project/emacs.html), but i see settling the release as much more important, no question, even if it means missing a window to land lorentey's changes . likewise with other developments - when someone is maxed out, telling them "just give me instructions and i can get out of your hair" often is more load for the subject than that requester realizes. (incidentally, this seems like the worst possile moment for questions about perceptions of failures in the process. talk about loaded questions! how could you expect a productive conversation about that right now? i would wait on that kind of thing, unless you honestly think they're needed for a direction change that will help *right now*.) i like emacs 22. a lot. i look forward to it landing. -- ken manheimer http://myriadicity.net