From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ken Manheimer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another emacs icons Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:59:18 -0400 Message-ID: <2cd46e7f0510171059n5582e48fhad5293797702b10b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051015231257.53260.qmail@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1129572026 16349 80.91.229.2 (17 Oct 2005 18:00:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: andrew_zhilin@yahoo.com, rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 17 20:00:16 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERZGo-0000Qd-So for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:59:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERZGo-000717-Em for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:59:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ERZGb-000705-Pg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:59:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ERZGa-0006zM-3G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:59:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERZGZ-0006zH-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:59:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.162.194] (helo=zproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ERZGa-0001m5-84 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:59:20 -0400 Original-Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so136000nzf for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:59:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K8i6qVZ2TJVL3jNIq47c64x50uzJkhMuYD3o5X1vBUGpph/Kt79MIeUd7aEbJy3MqVKNM7H7SZD/bB8pc9KzknthRJHdqZaDHrE66OAMz5iP6roCbFYpa8x4FJjMluXlMnzHdAt/bEMs1pSRBKWUV9F/vfh73O90bde0s03go7Q= Original-Received: by 10.36.194.13 with SMTP id r13mr3119436nzf; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.36.39.19 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:44202 Archived-At: i like andrew zhilin's set of notebook icons very much, and think there are compelling reasons to go with them. first of all, i think most of the other candidates are misguided, because text in an icon is almost always clutter. i am fairly certain that icons serve the purpose of elemental glyphs in user interfaces, and text in a glyph is unweildy clutter. even a single letter is the wrong thing - a glyph in a glyph. (those companies that do use a letter for their brand icon usually abstract it. macdonalds presents it's M brand icon as "golden arches", and that's they way i, for one, remember it - not the "golden M".) the notebook-ish set of images are simple and memorable - glyph-like.=20 people will recognize them distinct from other icons, even when reduced to the squiggle. they are explicable - people can make the connection between the gnu horns and the emacs icon squiggle, and see that the larger (than 16x16) versions convey a notebook. i think both are extremely useful associations for an emacs icon, and add value to the proposition. at the same time, an icon need not have an obvious literal meaning to be recognizable. look at the lucent zen circle, the nike swoosh, the bp mandala, etc. all are distinctive in elemental ways (while having some conceptual mnemonic for the companies they denote). they (andrew's notebook icons) are graceful, at all scales. it's a *nice* squiggle, that will be a pleasure to add to your launch bar. these points add up to an appealing, distinctive, and memorable symbol for denoting emacs, and i think add up to a really winning icon. ken manheimer ken.manheimer@gmail.com