From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: Mickey.Ferguson@cassidiancommunications.com,
Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: poor Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup]
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 09:35:38 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2c69b6dc-465b-4e76-bfac-c6762fd8c6e5@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAeL0SSXrq_vMh5ePHu=5ZRuG2YEkOq9=QwSWbadMNcZn_8Hcg@mail.gmail.com>
> > But (IMHO) too many people ignore Customize, often because
> > they've gotten the impression somehow that it is for
> > non-Lispers or wimps.
>
> I just hate its UI.
Right. I think no one is crazy about it.
Another thing that is unfortunate, especially because it is
related (discourages improvement attempts) is the nearly
impenetrable source code (try following it in the debugger!).
Another related thing here is the inability for users to get
reasonable help from the UI (e.g., try to find out what this
or that button/menu/whatever action actually does.
It is what it is. Its strengths are not in the UI area. But
its type-checking alone is worth using it, IMO.
I have even suggested that the same or similar type-checking
and other `defcustom' features be made available (for optional
use) to `defvar'. Variables that are not user options can also
benefit from type checking, :set triggers, etc.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-11 17:35 UTC|newest]
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2014-01-09 21:02 ` Trying to right-align my window on startup Drew Adams
2014-01-11 14:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-11 17:35 ` Drew Adams [this message]
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2014-01-13 15:11 ` poor Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] jack-mac
2014-01-13 17:06 ` Drew Adams
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2014-01-14 9:24 ` Trying to right-align my window on startup Rusi
2014-01-14 17:37 ` In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Drew Adams
2014-01-14 19:32 ` session.* files (was: In defense of Customize) gottlieb
2014-01-14 19:52 ` Peter Dyballa
2014-01-15 10:29 ` In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Phillip Lord
2014-01-15 17:28 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-16 10:06 ` Phillip Lord
2014-01-16 15:33 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14 17:53 ` Trying to right-align my window on startup Emanuel Berg
2014-01-14 17:57 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2014-01-14 18:15 ` Rusi
2014-01-14 18:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-15 4:44 ` Rusi
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2014-01-18 2:59 ` In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Rusi
2014-01-18 4:42 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-18 15:31 ` Rusi
2014-01-28 15:17 ` Christoph Wedler
2014-01-28 18:35 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-29 10:57 ` Phillip Lord
2014-01-29 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-29 16:54 ` Phillip Lord
2014-01-29 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-30 9:59 ` Phillip Lord
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2014-01-29 16:52 ` Emanuel Berg
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2014-01-29 18:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-29 0:47 ` Drew Adams
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2014-01-30 10:14 ` Christoph Wedler
2014-01-30 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-30 16:06 ` Drew Adams
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2014-01-30 16:15 ` Rusi
2014-01-30 18:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-31 9:56 ` Phillip Lord
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2014-01-31 12:08 ` Rusi
2014-01-31 20:41 ` Emanuel Berg
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2014-01-31 6:54 ` Rusi
2014-01-31 17:50 ` Christoph Wedler
2014-01-08 20:11 Trying to right-align my window on startup Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-08 21:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2014-01-09 6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 20:16 ` Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-09 20:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 20:32 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 20:41 ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-01-09 21:04 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.11466.1389300108.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-01-09 21:43 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-01-09 22:23 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-10 22:31 ` Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-10 23:09 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-11 1:17 ` Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-11 3:07 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-13 23:14 ` Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-14 4:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<83k3e8dhj9.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-01-09 21:02 ` Drew Adams
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