From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: 22983@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 00:38:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2c301ec9-041d-9172-d628-479062314b23@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160311221540.GH2888@acm.fritz.box>
On 03/12/2016 12:15 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> That part of specification can be rephrased.
>
> It's more than the specification which needs redoing. The implementation
> (sometimes) returns the equivalent of (parse-partial-sexp (point-min)
> pos)), when point-min is not in a "safe place".
Sure. I just meant that we shouldn't get hung up on that element of the
specification.
>>>> Changing syntax-ppss to be independent of narrowing will break it, and
>>>> we'll need to provide some alternative first.
>
>>> syntax-ppss is broken, and can't be fixed.
>
>> It's used ubiquitously, so it must be working.
>
> It might well be ubiquitous, but it's broken.
And yet, it can be fixed.
> Consider this: syntax-ppss
> will return the result of a parse based at point-min. In general, the
> caller does not know whether point-min is in a string or not. Therefore
> the result is of little value, UNLESS the caller takes special action,
> such as widening the buffer before every call to syntax-ppss.
You can say that.
>> Not entirely different, no. AFAIK, these are the semantics the vast
>> majority of its usages expect.
>
> But it's not the semantics these .el files get. What's probably keeping
> them functional is the rarity with which buffers are narrowed to an
> "awkward" point-min.
Another thing that keeps it together, is that narrowing, as a user-level
operator, is not that popular.
Personally, I consider it an anti-feature.
>> Except the multiple-major-mode case, which we'd ideally try to
>> accommodate, too.
>
> How does this code handle the changeover of syntax tables at a mode
> boundary?
The "inner" regions start with an "empty", top-level state. This is
actually fine, because these are usually small enough not to benefit
from the syntax-ppss cache too much (and syntax-ppss-last still helps).
The parts of the outer region following a subregion with different
syntax table... rely on a few hacks, and a manual application of a
`syntax-table' property when necessary. We need a better solution there,
but it's probably out of scope for this discussion.
>> syntax-ppss-dont-widen would be nil by default, it would be an escape
>> hatch toward the current semantics, for when the caller knows how to
>> manage narrowings, etc.
>
> Ah, OK. I think I see that now. Maybe. Surely the trouble is that
> either ALL calls or NONE must have s-p-dont-widen set.
Hmm, you're right. This variable still seems essential, but to be safe,
mmm-mode and friends should probably also advise syntax-ppss, to always
perform narrowing as appropriate.
> When that flag is
> toggled, all the caches have to be cleared. Maybe there should be some
> initialisation flag in some initialisation function. Or something like
> that. (It's getting late!).
Is the syntax-ppss-dont-widen really relevant for your comment cache? It
would be used only by certain major modes, and worst comes to worst, you
could disable the cache in those buffers.
> It strikes me that the multiple major mode stuff could do with a
> substantially enhanced version of syntax-ppss which would smoothly handle
> going over a mode boundary. But I don't know how you're implementing
> that.
So far, we're just wrapping the font-lock and indentation code, and
otherwise hope for the best.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-03-11 22:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-11 15:15 bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 20:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-11 21:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 21:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-11 22:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 22:38 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2016-03-13 17:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-13 18:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-14 0:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-14 1:04 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-03 22:55 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-14 1:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-14 15:16 ` Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.] Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-14 17:34 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-14 20:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 22:51 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-20 2:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-20 12:15 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-20 15:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 1:05 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 3:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 5:05 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 7:13 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-21 12:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:13 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 16:42 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 18:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 19:16 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 20:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 20:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-21 20:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 21:03 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-21 21:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:45 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-22 14:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 18:17 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 1:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-23 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 18:26 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 2:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 10:56 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 11:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 12:39 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-23 21:51 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-24 7:30 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-21 11:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 5:08 ` [Patch] hard-widen-limits [was Re: Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.]] Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 12:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 12:54 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:14 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:33 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 17:16 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 19:18 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 3:17 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 9:57 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 10:05 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 11:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 16:28 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 19:36 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 2:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 11:41 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 12:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 12:41 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-29 21:43 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-22 14:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 7:22 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 7:28 ` Achim Gratz
2016-04-24 11:33 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 13:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 16:11 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 16:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 16:41 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 16:48 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 18:01 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 19:05 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-28 13:29 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-30 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 20:08 ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-22 22:45 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 11:47 ` Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.] Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 12:40 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 13:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 14:20 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 14:42 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:52 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 21:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 23:34 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-21 14:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:31 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 15:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 17:15 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-13 17:32 ` bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result Stefan Monnier
2016-03-13 18:52 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-13 18:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-18 0:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 12:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-19 18:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 0:51 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-27 1:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 22:58 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-03 23:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-02 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-02 17:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-02 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-03 20:44 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-04 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-05 6:57 ` Andreas Röhler
2017-09-05 12:28 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-07 20:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-08 16:04 ` Andreas Röhler
2017-09-10 18:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-09 9:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-09 10:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-09 12:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-10 11:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-10 11:36 ` bug#22983: [ Patch ] " Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-10 22:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-10 23:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-11 11:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-12 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-12 22:12 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-11 19:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-11 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-11 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-11 20:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-12 0:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-17 10:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-17 23:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-18 19:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-19 0:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-19 20:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-22 14:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-24 11:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-25 23:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-10-01 16:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-10-04 20:07 ` Johan Bockgård
2017-09-17 11:12 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-19 20:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-07 17:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-07 20:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 23:16 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-19 23:00 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-19 23:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
[not found] ` <mailman.7307.1457709188.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-10-01 16:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
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