From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <2c1db370-1e6b-4a01-a490-928aec314609@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com> References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <927b0c4a-3de2-4be5-b86a-7ffacc4d718e@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <88821130-f989-49ac-b8b1-e3cb2f5c5271@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217374949 8921 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2008 23:42:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:42:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 30 01:43:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNyqZ-0006Dp-Rh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:43:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43914 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNype-0006sP-SN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:42:18 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 46 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217374177 1644 127.0.0.1 (29 Jul 2008 23:29:37 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160695 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56042 Archived-At: On Jul 29, 4:06 pm, Nikolaj Schumacher wrote: > Xah wrote: > >> > one of the developer saw that the shortcut notation change is a good > >> > idea, he can then spend 4 hours and commit. > > >> Then why haven't you asked the developers, yet? > > > That takes time and energy. > > I think that's a trivial copy and paste operation. Shouldn't take more > than 4 hours or so. "As for the benefit, i think it's huge, because it > fixed one of the usability problems of emacs." I have gave reasons that asking someone else to do something involves issues of social relation. I gave the example of standing on the street and asking people for money. The time and energy, to go to the street and open your mouth, is perhaps 10 minunes or 10 calories. But it has ramifications on you, regardless whether you got the money or not. Please don't just pick parts of post. Maybe you are doing it just to annoy me? Don't. The joke is rather old. > > You sound like it is my duty or something i should've done. > > I thought it's something you wanted to actually accomplish. That's the > way to get it done. > > > Strongly believing that =E2=80=9CAlt+=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA=E2=80=9D not= ation is better for emacs does > > not mean i must ask GNU Emacs developers. > > There's a saying: If you don't vote, you don't get to complain. Vote for me then. In emacs, pull the menu =E2=80=9CHelp=E2=80=A3Send Bug Report...=E2=80=9D, = and write to them that M-=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA notation is a usability problem. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84