From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: "David Kastrup" <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: frame-local variables weirdness
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:57:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2bfd4e060710181857y28d55d90o3146527e33e419b5@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85fy09e9nj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
On 10/17/07, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
> "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:
> > David Kastrup may have an informative opinion, since he found
> > XEmacs's glyph (~ Emacs image) API, uh, "annoying" (and even its
> > author admits it's probably excessively complex and detailed). But
> > I'm not sure whether he objects to the idea of such an API, or
> > merely to XEmacs's implementation in glyphs.
>
> You should use quote marks only around things you actually quote. I
> don't think I called them "annoying".
Sorry. Quotation marks are generally used to mark variant usage of
text, actual quotes being only a special case. Specifically, the `uh,
"annoying"' form is quite commonly used to imply "the actual words
he used are unrepeatable in polite company".
> specifiers in XEmacs. But the main problem in my book with the open
> XEmacs data structures actually is that there is no reasonably
> complete and actually employed API for accessing them. So one needs
> to acquire an understanding of the internal structure of them if one
> hopes to understand existing code, and mostly also for writing code of
> one's own.
Mostly one doesn't. A buffer-local can be emulated by a specifier by using
(set-specifier buffer-local-variable local-value (current-buffer))
to modify it, and accessing the current buffer's value with
(specifier-instance buffer-local-variable)
I don't recall why the arcane incantation I recommended to you was
needed in your application. It may be that some version of specifier-instance
would have been satisfactory but I didn't understand your need well enough
to give a more precise answer.
The situation is very similar to working with menus or Emacs-style
keymaps. There are some conceptually simple tasks that the API
makes unnecessarily hard to do.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-19 1:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-05 13:41 frame-local variables weirdness Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-08 2:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09 1:26 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09 14:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-10 4:24 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10 12:58 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11 9:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11 14:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-11 14:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-11 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-11 19:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-12 15:59 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-12 16:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-14 16:29 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-14 17:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-14 17:51 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-15 16:04 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-15 17:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-17 17:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-10-17 18:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18 5:03 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-18 13:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-19 5:40 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-19 13:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-20 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-20 13:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-21 7:25 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 14:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-21 14:56 ` Miles Bader
2007-10-21 19:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 2:26 ` Miles Bader
2007-10-22 9:01 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-17 21:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-10-19 1:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2007-10-17 23:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18 12:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-18 13:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 14:10 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-10-18 16:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-19 17:42 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-19 18:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-20 14:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 2:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 9:00 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-22 15:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 15:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-22 16:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-22 16:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-23 10:38 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-23 20:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-24 8:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-24 8:54 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-11-06 4:31 ` Chong Yidong
2007-11-06 8:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-06 10:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-12 16:41 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-13 6:41 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-13 23:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-18 12:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-21 16:26 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-21 16:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09 14:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-09 15:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-09 17:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2006-12-11 14:59 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-11 15:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
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