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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: p.stephani2@gmail.com, 27986@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#27986: 26.0.50; 'rename-file' can rename files without confirmation
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 12:27:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2bb4b7ee-6bf9-df3d-5cd8-ae7992b9f2e7@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zib0g221.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> How would they know to create B before Emacs issues any system call
> that uses B?

Because the attackers know how Emacs work and are attempting to exploit its 
security hole.

> And how is this case different from the case that Emacs calls
> (rename-file A B) thinking B doesn't exist (e.g., because some prior
> code tested that)?

The case in question trashes a directory that the attacker lacks permission to. 
The case you're talking about does not: it merely causes rename-file to fail.

> we should be backward compatible as a fallback.

I don't see how this can work, if the fallback method relies on two system calls 
that can fall victim to a race. I tried pretty hard to come up with secure and 
backward-compatible approaches before proposing the change. I could not come up 
with any, and doubt whether anyone else could either.

Another possibility is to implement new functions (say: file-copy, file-rename, 
file-link, file-symlink, and directory-copy) that behave like the existing 
functions except without the security hole, modify callers to use these new 
functions, and then mark the existing functions as deprecated due to security 
concerns. I suspect that this would be more disruptive overall than the proposed 
change, though (albeit disruptive in a different way).





  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-15 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-06 15:40 bug#27986: 26.0.50; `rename-file' can rename files without confirmation Philipp
2017-08-06 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 17:09   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-08-14 17:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-11  8:15 ` bug#27986: 26.0.50; 'rename-file' " Paul Eggert
2017-08-13 22:42   ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-14 15:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 23:31       ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15 16:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-15 17:24           ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15 17:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-15 19:27               ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2017-08-16  2:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16  5:06                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-16 14:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16 15:15                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-16 16:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16 17:19                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-16 17:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16 18:06                               ` Glenn Morris
2017-08-16 22:31                               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-16 23:56                                 ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-17  0:04                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-19  6:54                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-10 22:49                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-11  6:07                                     ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-11 14:47                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-11 16:45                                         ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-11 17:09                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-11 17:25                                             ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-12  9:25                                       ` Michael Albinus
2017-08-13 23:48   ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-14 13:44     ` Ken Brown
2017-08-14 15:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 15:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 16:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 16:58       ` Philipp Stephani
2017-08-14 17:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 16:50     ` Philipp Stephani
2017-08-14 23:03       ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15  1:19         ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15  2:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-15  7:00           ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15 16:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16 19:33         ` Ken Brown
2017-08-19 21:30           ` Ken Brown
2017-08-19 21:37             ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-19 22:04               ` Ken Brown
2017-08-19 22:38                 ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15 12:45 ` Andy Moreton
2017-08-15 16:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-19 21:33 ` bug#27986: 26.0.50; 'rename-file' can rename files without Richard Stallman
2017-08-20  2:37   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25 20:33     ` John Wiegley
2017-08-26  7:30       ` Eli Zaretskii

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