From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: goncholden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Netiquette is way to go Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 09:18:24 +0000 Message-ID: <2bH7K25550hkjKc8JqVwoMCHFJiDwAcG221_VDJ47DDaDrNSdv9RnOHrXb6JsFROJsTsocQ2TvDgKZhZvEblgh_JfVbCrWdiJOYh7WmIdck=@protonmail.com> References: <83bkuzxvur.fsf@gnu.org> <878rq2gyoc.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h74pc9rj.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: goncholden Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35060"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , Eli Zaretskii , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 11:20:00 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0gEq-0008tK-Rm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:20:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55390 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0gEp-0008FY-H1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 05:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40202) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0gDX-0008Cy-PT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 05:18:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4325.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.25]:18305) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0gDV-0005ad-FW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 05:18:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1655111913; x=1655371113; bh=iuwmqO43ZVL6+q57zOw8zyNOZOVgbYAr/ZqnYwepR0E=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To: Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=MhgSxaPsVs0Z8bet4pFDxflouO0amsm/jycdlb9IPAPKvHSjlq18lDoLScIKLTUw+ qLBsCbhFfsl8rV3IhomABxWWNV0EwQqbwDth1TC1Y5t9pTf/ci18ersPnF0HnaxHEM s9Ku+e6i3XGVdHrnxMChZc7WMhzlHb/JQsL0MHB8eRnRwCAR27aVFbn8nwi0IcP5WR A+qU2kcoH+zTCWK2sjWKEs2xRyxGeCZVGeqjL71atJz4v0QRB515U59/QAnDOgFKSF WoQ//ywCnpwXgsYVe62moOiD1qZwgBNOQ+XSo60buPnBrrlmy8QsHlusFbH1KzQIVY C6EoluqF7D/tA== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 43053548:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.25; envelope-from=goncholden@protonmail.com; helo=mail-4325.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137778 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, June 13th, 2022 at 7:43 PM, Jean Louis wrote: > * Po Lu luangruo@yahoo.com [2022-06-13 10:18]: > > > Because you did not ask about automatic indentation. From the point of > > view of everyone except you, you were asking how to adapt the Emacs > > Fortran indentation rules to your (legacy) code, and not how to disable > > automatic indentation. No, was not asking how to adapt indentation rules to legacy code. I asked how to stop the removal of tabs from previous line after hitting re= turn. The previous line was legacy code I did not want to touch. Had no i= dea about electric-indent. The "help" I got was that of Eli, bragging abou= t how powerful and customisable emacs is and how it does not make sense dis= abling automatic indentation. Even though mentioning electric-indent-mode would have solved my problem so= that I can continue with what I need to do. Refraining from telling me because according to emacs aficionados I am an i= diot to turn indentation tools off, and that they know better is prepostero= us. Then wonder how it happens that others begin to use linguistic profani= ties upon the community's sacred gurus. Basically it is because I am now a= n old fart and have encountered enough bullshit that I can became equally m= ad with resorting to alcoholism or taking drugs, if I had been a young boy. > How I see it: user did not express himself about "indentation" but > tried in his own words to explain what is happening and what is > desired. > > We cannot expect of users new to Emacs to know what is > electric-indent-mode as that is too high expectation. I gave example > of indentation mentioned in other editors, Emacs does not offer > a menu item where indentation can be set. > > We cannot tell to users "why you did not ask about > electric-indent-mode" as that means we have too high expectations. > > We cannot even expect users to read the manual first before asking on > the mailing list for help. As by reading manual one would find out > that indentation is automatic. > > I use Emacs long time, and I did not know that indentation is > automatic until I read the manual yesterday to find out about it. I > was under impression that I have set the indentation in my init.el and > forgot about it. > > We can't have too high expectations on this mailing list. This is not > for experienced users only, not for developers, it is for "Help". > > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/