From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 a9c48d5: Additional fixes for file notification Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 22:24:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2b98a5dd-7f46-4e92-9398-ede070c261de@default> References: <20160222175244.30186.2617@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87k2lwv5ob.fsf@gmx.de> <87egc4v4hs.fsf@gmx.de> <8bd4ec21-1306-41bf-aca7-5571a3014337@default> <87r3g4js64.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456727079 6658 80.91.229.3 (29 Feb 2016 06:24:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 06:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers , Michael Albinus , Stefan Monnier , Kaushal Modi To: John Wiegley , Oleh Krehel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 29 07:24:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aaHFp-0008TO-Lx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:24:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34582 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aaHFo-0007jG-TK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:24:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aaHFa-0007ie-TV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:24:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aaHFX-0004wk-Nh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:24:10 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:26125) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aaHFX-0004wg-H2; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:24:07 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u1T6O3GY005757 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 Feb 2016 06:24:03 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u1T6O2MO019189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 Feb 2016 06:24:02 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u1T6O1bx008192; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 06:24:01 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200804 Archived-At: > >> +1 I wholeheartedly agree to that. > > +1 from me as well. > > +100 from me. I deeply dislike the cl- prefix, especially for > common things like incf and loop. It's both excessive, and > annoying to program with. >=20 > I would like to see prefix-less aliases for many of the functions > in cl-lib. Let's create a module cl-intf that requires cl-lib > and provides those aliases; and then allow cl-intf to be used > in core, so long as we ensure that cl-intf never shadows existing > Emacs Lisp functions also in core. What about this part of what I wrote. +100 for that as well? Finally, to make things even more muddy, we have recently piled additional, non-Common Lisp stuff into the `cl-' namespace. What's that about? That just confuses people. =20 If it's just because such things are in a `cl*.el' file then I think we're missing the point of such a prefix. It should be=20 reserved for Common Lisp emulation, nothing more or less. This particular problem was reported as bug #20056, which was just closed today as "wont-fix".