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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295306 Archived-At: --juJQSkOsXu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: <2b58b8f542015d003e58@heytings.org> >> We cannot draw a conclusion from a single example, and AFAIU the=20 >> screenshot you show does not tell that "x" is used to maximize a window= =20 >> but only that, when that menu is opened, you can select its "maximize"= =20 >> entry by pressing "x". > > How many examples do you want? Windows, KDE, Xfce, pretty much every one= =20 > with the concept of a window operations menu. > > Yes, those are menu item mnemonics, not direct bindings, because no=20 > window manager is going to steal character input for window operations.= =20 > You typically invoke the menu with Alt+Space, then use the mnemonic; in= =20 > this use, it is similar to Emacs=E2=80=99s prefix maps. > I don't use any of these window managers myself, which is why I asked for= =20 examples. I misunderstood his answer, and did not realize that users=20 could use a window menu the way you describe it. > > Alternatively, the CUA standard used to specify Alt+F10 for maximization= =20 > and Alt+F9 for minimization; Xfce still honors that in default=20 > keybindings. > These are the kind of key bindings I had in mind, and a few Google=20 searches showed a great variety of bindings accross window managers. Anyway, it seems to me that this is tangent to the discussion. The fact=20 that some users use M-SPC x (in Emacs key notation) to maximize a frame=20 (in Emacs parlance) does not seem to be a good reason to use the 'x' key=20 to toggle the maximization of windows in Emacs. At least I'll continue to= =20 use the 'm' key in my configuration for that purpose. --juJQSkOsXu--