From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 08:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2a7f0f0d-bcca-4a9a-afcb-2ff94c295dc3@default> References: <6a370ecf-5ddc-4e5b-8553-189949a495fe@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381591845 25611 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2013 15:30:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:30:45 +0000 (UTC) To: Kai Grossjohann , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 12 17:30:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VV19U-0003dh-TM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:30:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58558 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VV19U-0002eF-GS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 11:30:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38606) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VV19A-0002dr-LD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 11:30:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VV194-0003va-19 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 11:30:28 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:50715) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VV193-0003vS-Rb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 11:30:21 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r9CFUHtF013620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:30:18 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9CFUGAr006087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:30:17 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9CFUGDe023635; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:30:16 GMT In-Reply-To: <6a370ecf-5ddc-4e5b-8553-189949a495fe@googlegroups.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93956 Archived-At: > > trust Emacs to be active and improving by 2018? >=20 > Emacs was written in 1985, so it will be 30 years old soon. I > think it can go on another 30 years :-) It's really more like 40 years that people have been using Emacs. GNU Emacs will be 30 in two more years (soon, but not that soon). Emacs was developed in the early-to-mid 70s. RMS wrote the original "Emacs" (adding "macros" to editor TECO) in 1976. GNU and GNU Emacs date from the mid 80s. GNU was announced as a proposed project in 1983, and development started in 1984. FSF dates from 1985. GNU Emacs was first released in 1985. In the early-to-mid 80s people used Emacs, but not GNU Emacs. There were some (non-GNU, non-RMS) Emacsen written in Lisp and=20 available since the late 70s, but not on Unix (and there was no GNU/Linux). On Unix, there was only Gosling Emacs through much of the 80s. It had neither Lisp (!) nor real lists (!), and arguments were passed using a strange workaround. Nevertheless, people hacked with it, customized their init files, shared their code, used TAGS files and Info (IIRC), and did most of the other things we still do with Emacs. So **40** years, and counting... [http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsHistory, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs]