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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251288 Archived-At: On 21.05.2020 20:07, Karl Fogel wrote: > For those who would like to learn more about Blender's efforts to improve its usability for "professional" users -- in this case, helped by someone who is literally a professional user -- there's a Libre Lounge podcast episode that talks about this: > > https://librelounge.org/episodes/36-david-revoy-on-pepper--carrot-and-free-culture.html It's a pretty cool interview, but on the Blender side (or its evolution of the UI), it seems to covers less than the articles we've read previously. Episode 38 is also pretty cool, but again it was more of a life story/basic community interaction discussion. If it has any lessons for Emacs, it's that it's good practice to watch your users and prioritize problems, and that the mailing lists are where the trolls are. :-)