From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9934: 24.0.91; `region-active-p' definition Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:13:16 -0700 Message-ID: <2FDC1CCA19884DF29D77C76FB4415507@us.oracle.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1320171237 16179 80.91.229.12 (1 Nov 2011 18:13:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9934@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Andreas Schwab'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 01 19:13:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RLIqL-0000Pg-Ec for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:13:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50041 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RLIqK-0008JO-RF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:13:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RLIqI-0008JH-8W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:13:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RLIqG-00052u-0p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:13:46 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RLIqF-00052i-Va for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:13:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RLIsU-0006f1-3d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:16:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 18:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9934.132017135225587 (code B ref 9934); Tue, 01 Nov 2011 18:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2011 18:15:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RLIsK-0006ee-34 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:15:52 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RLIsH-0006eW-Ij for 9934@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:15:50 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pA1IDPtj011181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:13:26 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA1IDOOc024715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:13:24 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pA1IDI85011439; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:13:19 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.60.177) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 11:13:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcyYwAmngyOZZhkbTACrW/mBplewQQAAC1wA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4EB036C7.0060,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:16:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:53400 Archived-At: > > When transient mark mode is off, the region and mark are > > *never* active > > If transient mark mode is off then the mark is active as > soon as it is set. Prove it. Show me the code that supports such a claim. Nonsensical. If t-m mode is off, what does it mean for the mark to be active or inactive? Nothing. What user-visible or code-visible difference does it make whether the mark is "active" or "inactive" when t-m mode is off? None. There is no such notion ("active") when t-m mode is off. Never has been. Cannot be. You cannot have a distinction (e.g., active vs inactive) unless there is some _difference_ in behavior. When t-m mode is off there are not two states for the mark - no distinction. There is no active region when t-m-m mode is off - there is just the region: it does not have two states active/inactive. An active mark _means_ an active region, and vice versa. And activeness is indicated by highlighting. Deactivating the mark turns off the highlighting. This is straight out of the doc, and it corresponds with both Emacs history and, well, logic.