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[98.247.148.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b20sm209813047ibj.7.2012.01.05.21.49.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:49:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147389 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_92773529-7D3B-4A01-B543-56A332D874F5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jan 5, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: >=20 > Why the second guessing? I was told that almost all software packages > today did automatic upgrading, and I mentioned some that do not. I > don't know why they don't offer it, and neither do you. I suspect the answer is ``most of them do, either built in to the app, = via a default package system, and/or via the operating system''. You > Do you have an smoke detector in your home? I don't. I don't have a > fire extinguisher, either. I do, as does basically everyone I know. They're required in various = ways here in the US. Perhaps we're ruining it for the rest of you. :) Regardless, you have made it clear that you object to oranges because = they might someday turn into apples. To be explicit, here is the = `sweeping under the carpet' to which you have repeatedly voiced = objection: On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > I really like your suggestion. It lets us write the DLL deployment = code > later or never, depending on what users want, but at first we will = only > do the acceptable minimum. It can also work with a standalone GnuTLS > W32 installer, if we ever decide that's a better approach. Apparently `later or never' is too much like `evident that we should' = for you. *Chad --Apple-Mail=_92773529-7D3B-4A01-B543-56A332D874F5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Why the second = guessing? I was told that almost all software packages
today did = automatic upgrading, and I mentioned some that do not. I
don't know = why they don't offer it, and neither do = you.

I suspect the answer is = ``most of them do, either built in to the app, via a default package = system, and/or via the operating system''. =  You

Do you have an smoke = detector in your home? I don't. I don't have a
fire extinguisher, = either.

I do, as does = basically everyone I know.  They're required in various ways here = in the US. Perhaps we're ruining it for the rest of you. = :)

Regardless, you have made it clear that you = object to oranges because they might someday turn into apples.  To = be explicit, here is the `sweeping under the carpet' to which you have = repeatedly voiced objection:

On Jan 4, = 2012, at 3:16 PM, Ted Zlatanov wrote:
I really like your suggestion.  It lets us write the = DLL deployment code
later or never, depending on what users want, but = at first we will only
do the acceptable minimum.  It can also = work with a standalone GnuTLS
W32 installer, if we ever decide that's = a better approach.

Apparently = `later or never' is too much like `evident that we should' for = you.

*Chad


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