From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: clutter integration in the xwidget branch Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 02:45:46 -0700 Message-ID: <2CD8B098-0394-4EB4-988F-D5B583664E9C@mit.edu> References: <87ei2ez6fd.fsf@keller.adm.naquadah.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-234664490 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1309254444 14862 80.91.229.12 (28 Jun 2011 09:47:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Julien Danjou Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 28 11:47:20 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QbUt5-0001AF-Ey for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:47:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34702 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbUt4-00058R-BN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:47:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:33783) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbUrj-0004rD-OE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:46:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbUrh-0003L8-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:45:55 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu ([18.7.68.35]:57417) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QbUrh-0003Ku-ET for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:45:53 -0400 X-AuditID: 12074423-b7ce8ae000000a29-02-4e09a2c8afa0 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.39]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 8B.2C.02601.8C2A90E4; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-4.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p5S9joc2002619; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:45:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.22] (c-67-183-32-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.183.32.38]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p5S9jkBX010878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 28 Jun 2011 05:45:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87ei2ez6fd.fsf@keller.adm.naquadah.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrEKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nrntiEaefwYdXWhaPFzxhtTg+5Syj xez5i9kcmD2OHjrH6NE2zcxj19YrTAHMUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZPbsvsBV8EqwA0Q2ME/m7 GDk5JARMJJ4v/c4OYYtJXLi3nq2LkYtDSGAfo8SnJbegnA2MEjPeNbOBVAkJnGSSmNAhAWIL C5hJnJ//HKybV8BQYummdjCbWcBFYv2FHqYuRg4ONgEZoKkaIGFOAVOJNf/fgpWwCKhKfH22 hw2iXFPi9c1/zBBjrCSWbFnAArHKX+LRxhesILaIgJrExL/b2EFGSgjISjQty5jAKDALyeJZ SBZD2PIS29/OYZ4F1MEsoCMxeSEjRFhbYtnC18ww9sfzR5gWMLKtYpRNya3SzU3MzClOTdYt Tk7My0st0jXTy80s0UtNKd3ECA5+F+UdjH8OKh1iFOBgVOLhZVzJ4SfEmlhWXJl7iFGSg0lJ lFcOGDtCfEn5KZUZicUZ8UWlOanFhxglOJiVRHinGgHleFMSK6tSi/JhUtIcLErivLne/32F BNITS1KzU1MLUotgsjIcHEoSvNogQwWLUtNTK9Iyc0oQ0kwcnCDDeYCGh4HU8BYXJOYWZ6ZD 5E8x6nJcaF9+mFGIJS8/L1VKnPfbQqAiAZCijNI8uDmwpPWKURzoLWFeFZBRPMCEBzfpFdAS JqAlZbVgS0oSEVJSDYxufJN1dtYruX5fVbzr6ZYvr74sr3xmMOeUuEasktrb+FJe78tpW3RF DS2lM9cZG01/1bP44PRgWeG/jxomhN5SUE54feTNRIc30re8752IV1vPOsNn6kNn X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 18.7.68.35 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:141117 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-1-234664490 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:49 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: > > So here the question I wonder for days now and I need to ask out loud: > > Why not embed WebKit as a display engine? It would probably be a large amount of difficult work. Over the years, multiple groups have tried this approach using less complicated versions of the web (pre-javascript, pre-css, pre-xhtml, etc) and less complicated editing systems (more `notepad' than `emacs'), and have fallen under their own weight. I hate to be gloomy, but I'm pretty sure that's the reason. Someday, another epoch or Gerd Moellmann-style effort will arise and implement this idea or something like it, but, believe it or not, xembed is probably an easier path. Hope that helps, *Chad --Apple-Mail-1-234664490 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

So here the = question I wonder for days now and I need to ask out loud:

=   Why not embed WebKit as a display = engine?

It would probably be a = large amount of difficult work. =  

Over the years, multiple groups = have tried this approach using less
complicated versions of = the web (pre-javascript, pre-css, pre-xhtml,
etc) and less = complicated editing systems (more `notepad' than
`emacs'), and = have fallen under their own weight.

I hate to = be gloomy, but I'm pretty sure that's the reason. =  Someday,
another epoch or Gerd Moellmann-style effort = will arise and implement
this idea or something like it, but, = believe it or not, xembed is
probably an easier = path.

Hope that = helps,
*Chad
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