From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steve Purcell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8342: 24.0.50; Emacs HEAD cannot build with OS X standard autoconf Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:04:03 +0000 Message-ID: <2CD841DA-60CC-4D5E-84F1-B93856A18188@sanityinc.com> References: <9AB28351-B84F-406E-9D0D-5F2ED8D3498E@sanityinc.com> <4D8CA613.60008@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301065641 25130 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2011 15:07:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8342@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 25 16:07:16 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q38bc-0000S1-3B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:07:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59068 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q38bb-0002fy-ES for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:07:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60209 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q38bW-0002fo-QQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:07:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q38bU-00022V-BX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:07:10 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41428) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q38bU-00022L-8J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:07:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q38ZS-0005nJ-48; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Steve Purcell Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8342 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8342-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8342.130106545322215 (code B ref 8342); Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8342) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Mar 2011 15:04:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q38Yf-0005mG-6m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:04:13 -0400 Original-Received: from h1189701.stratoserver.net ([85.214.32.38]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q38Yd-0005m4-BL for 8342@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:04:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mandala.home (host81-155-55-98.range81-155.btcentralplus.com [81.155.55.98]) by h1189701.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7887EECD779; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:04:04 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <4D8CA613.60008@swipnet.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:05:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:45352 Archived-At: On 25 Mar 2011, at 14:26, Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >=20 > Steve Purcell skrev 2011-03-25 14.29: >> The latest Apple developer tools (XCode 3.2.6) provide autoconf = version >> 2.61. Since 'configure' was removed from emacs bzr, it cannot be >> regenerated on this platform without autoconf>=3D 2.6.5, i.e. = overriding >> Apple's standard autotools, which is widely deprecated. >=20 > Deprecated by who? I have had autoconf in /usr/local for years on = OSX, and noticed no ill effects on XCode projects. >>=20 >> IMHO, it should continue to be possible to build emacs without doing = so, >> as has always been the case. >=20 > It is still the case for released versions, it is just the developer = version that has changed. This is more or less how other projects = manage development versions. >=20 > Jan D. Hi Jan, I'm sure some other projects do the same thing. Though I appreciate the = purity of not checking in the configure script, I think it is neither = pragmatic nor common to do so. The majority of software I have ever installed from source has been = supplied with a pre-generated configure script, and this is independent = of whether that software was a development or release version. Provided = the relevant libraries are installed, almost everything will build with = only gcc and a standard shell. For reference, I'm using the Homebrew package manager = (http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew), which relies on the Apple-standard = autoconf. Of the ~1500 packages it currently supports, both in stable = and dev versions, Emacs HEAD is now the only one which I know will fail = to build due to the autoconf version. The change appears to simplify things for the very few developers who = touch configure.in at the expense of the many more casual = users/developers who build Emacs from HEAD, use it and provide feedback = and patches. Making the software harder to build will reduce the user = base. That's probably why most projects tend to check the configure script = into VC (which is a compromise aesthetically) and it's why I still hope = that a convenient method can be found to keep the configure script up to = date and checked-in. I will probably take the time to work around this issue on my own = machine sooner or later, but not everybody will do so, and this is why I = raised this bug. Cheers, and many thanks for your work on Emacs. -Steve=