From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3615: 23.0.94; (elisp)Local Variables: xrefs to nodes for buffer-local and frame-local vars Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:08:58 -0700 Message-ID: <2BC2457D71864C71B17EC79B1D44E934@us.oracle.com> References: <6375C856AF9C489FB881AF48C32FBE76@us.oracle.com><1BF023C158F54F2692880FF3D3861383@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310491893 29566 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2011 17:31:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 3615@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 12 19:31:27 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qggnv-0000Fg-5P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:31:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46717 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qggnu-000163-By for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:31:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfXD-0004Rj-Es for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:10:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfXB-00063V-EB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:10:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34977) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfXA-000636-Rt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:10:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfX9-0005dC-Jh; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:10:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:10:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 3615 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: unreproducible Original-Received: via spool by 3615-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3615.131048696021585 (code B ref 3615); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:10:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3615) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 16:09:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfWR-0005c6-1H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:09:19 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgfWP-0005bu-B7 for 3615@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6CG98fN016757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:09:10 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CG97EB011512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:09:08 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6CG91R0028033; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:09:01 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.35.193) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:09:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcxApjtEdhMAeTn9QVGIm+DsQD4hAwABj4/A X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4E1C71A7.0018:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:10:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:48756 Archived-At: > > Where do you see, as one example, anything about > > frame-local variables here? > > frame-local variables are pretty much deprecated, so there didn't seem > to be any point. 1. There is an Elisp manual node, `Frame-Local Variables'. It is even in the main Elisp menu (`Top'), which emphasizes its importance. If frame-local variables have been deprecated and are not to be referred to in the doc, then a much bigger correction to the manual is needed than just what this bug report calls for: remove that node and all references to it. However, I see _nothing_ in NEWS about frame-local variables being deprecated. 2. In any case, this bug report is about more than frame-local variables. There is now a cross ref from `Local Variables' to `Buffer-Local Variables' (good), but there is still no cross ref from the latter to the former. And still no explanation at `Local Variables' that it describes a different notion of "local variable" from the other two. It especially needs to be pointed out that "these [three notions] are not closely related, in spite of their similar names", as the bug report says. This is not at all obvious, and is a recurrent cause of confusion. Note, BTW, that there _is_ a cross ref from `Buffer-Local Variables' to `Frame-Local Variables', and vice-versa. What's missing are the connections to `Local Variables'.