From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: AltGr with Emacs 23 on OSX and German keyboard Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:47:33 +0100 Message-ID: <2B9E3FA0-49C6-4F2F-AC0E-96D4F6B07041@Web.DE> References: <87aayq4ww1.fsf@usenet.my.skamphausen.de> <87k4xu3ej7.fsf@usenet.my.skamphausen.de> <87d43k2ew1.fsf@usenet.my.skamphausen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258289295 18288 80.91.229.12 (15 Nov 2009 12:48:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Kamphausen Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 15 13:48:07 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N9eWS-0002E5-NS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40309 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N9eWR-0002UX-Vh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:48:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N9eW6-0002Th-JE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:47:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N9eW1-0002Rw-OH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:47:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56566 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N9eW1-0002Rr-Gt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:47:37 -0500 Original-Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de ([217.72.192.227]:42155) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N9eW0-0001GI-To for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:47:37 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp07.web.de (fmsmtp07.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.215]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DC8141F0CF1; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:47:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [91.35.240.243] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp07.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1N9eVz-0000Nm-00; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:47:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87d43k2ew1.fsf@usenet.my.skamphausen.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+Vx6otemtphFk0FU6vAiq63vBOcRp4/dkaj8J M13+kJL2N/UxXhuycc9PqFLjPvL+2cSlY8+xMAJ/Jgp6H9mCxZ fkCa/hF9GGhyyfPOX4nQ== X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:69759 Archived-At: Am 15.11.2009 um 12:42 schrieb Stefan Kamphausen: > #!/bin/sh > > test -x "$emacs" || > emacs=3D"$HOME/local/opt/emacs-23.1/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/=20= > Emacs" > test -x "$emacs" || emacs=3D"/usr/bin/emacs" > > exec "$emacs" ${SSH_CONNECTION:+-nw} ${SCREEN_IN_SSH:+-nw} "$@" For me Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs has problems to interpret and =20 receive all command line arguments... > In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.7.0, NS apple-appkit-949.46) > of 2009-08-02 on imac > Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.949 > configured using `configure '--with-ns'' >> is this Help menu in Emacs' frame or in the =EE=80=9E menu bar? The X = =20 >> clients >> can't "delegate" the menu-bar... > > It's in the menu bar, just like a native OSX application. So it's the Aqua or NS or GNUStep/OPENSTEP "Emacs.app." > > If I hit AltGr-Backspace and do the C-h l afterwards I see: > M-(sharp s) C-h l > (I can't insert the real sharp s in this emacs, I currently use to =20 > type > this post, but it is displayed as a "normal" sharp-s in the help > buffer). Have you tried Character Palette (Zeichenpalette)? > > Another thing I noted: the described behavior occurs with that =20 > keyboard > layout I loaded from the net as well as with the original osx =20 > layout. I > toggle those using a little icon in the menubar and applications like > e.g. the terminal that shipped with this computer reflect the changes > immediately: with the original layout I see a question mark upside-=20 > down > if I hit AltGr-Backslash but with the custom layout I get a backslash. > Funny, that makes no difference in Emacs. > > xev didn't help either. Exactly. Xev and X11 are not Aqua. > Is this considered a bug, shall I sent that report? If, then to Apple. It's obviously Mac OS X which does not produce the =20= proper key events and has no idea of the "modifiers" of your =20 keyboard. But it's also Emacs.app which has problems with keys of non-=20= English keyboards. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen Pete We need a president who's fluent in at least one language. =E2=80=93 Buck Henry