From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xah lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#631: the M- notation suggestion Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:07:37 -0700 Message-ID: <2B58258C-8771-4478-B0B5-EF011D6EEDCA@xahlee.org> References: Reply-To: xah lee , 631@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217557668 32250 80.91.229.12 (1 Aug 2008 02:27:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 01 04:28:38 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOkNf-0004ij-Fm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:28:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53352 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOkMl-0004ij-1o for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:27:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOkMY-0004fG-Gr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:27:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOkMW-0004eq-NZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:27:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51609 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOkMW-0004eg-Hm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:27:24 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:55488) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOkMW-0003cI-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:27:24 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m712RLr0020651; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:27:21 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m712F3CG016885; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:15:03 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: xah lee Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 631 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.121755656415534 (code B ref -1); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Aug 2008 02:09:24 +0000 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m7129KvJ015528 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:09:22 -0700 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOk52-0005e7-08 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOk50-0005c3-Cv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:09:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43480 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOk4z-0005bj-Qv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:09:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.196]:62912) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOk4u-0002Ed-9n; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:09:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-24-6-97-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.97.120]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKpCa-1KOk4c00ZO-0004VH; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:08:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+tOaZpFVL7LHMS1vYc3HjaSdCzFMR8VzeJJUd WOvZgC1bFRGny8JCl9zwhaMUorO7RegIbQIUvvBRL8iWkqp5FV nHBVHp4PwOM6Mkw7uHyvA== X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:27:25 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:18947 Archived-At: On Jul 31, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Richard M Stallman wrote: For the Emacs Manual I have a feeling this would be very wasteful. But maybe it would be ok for some of the help commands, maybe even for all of them. Xah wrote: Wasteful, as in too much effort and little benefit? RMS wrote: I mean reducing what's visible on a page, and wasting paper. But someone could try it and see. who's doing this? and what about making the menu show the Alt+ and Ctrl+ notation? Is =20 anyone in particular doing it? PS give me a hint perhaps on how to do the latter. I might experiment =20= on both. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84