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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Dmitry Gutov'" <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
	"'Gauthier Östervall'" <gauthier@ostervall.se>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: RE: sending function arguments to recursive function calls
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 07:31:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2AC6E6871319483CABA0387DEF8B39CC@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mwrt7py6.fsf@yandex.ru>

> This is the ugly side of dynamic scoping.
> (defun foo () (let ((bar 42)) (baz)))
> (defun baz () bar)
> (foo) ; => 42
> baz ; => void-variable error

Huh?  I guess you meant to write
(baz) ; => "void-variable bar" error

There is nothing ugly about that behavior.

The `let' binds variable `bar' for the dynamic extent of the call to `foo'.
There is no other binding of `bar' or assignment to it here, so `(baz)' refers
to an unbound variable `bar'.

What happens with lexical scoping?
(foo) ; => "void-variable bar" error
(baz) ; => "void-variable bar" error

Which is also not ugly and not unusual.  There is no binding of `bar' lexically
visible in `baz'.

Dynamic and lexical binding are very different.  That's all.  Each has its
advantages.

Lexical binding is generally cleaner (correct for funargs etc.), so it is
simpler to understand (WYSIWYG, where the `S' is all about lexical scope).  As
such, it can often allow compilation to more efficient code.  And it can
facilitate program proving and transformation, but mainly for "pure"
(referentially transparent) languages, not full Lisp.

Dynamic binding facilitates user extension ("monkey patching").  And yes, this
is particularly important for a dynamic user environment like Emacs.

It is easy to find references lauding the benefits of lexical binding (most
languages use only lexical binding).  Stallman explains well why dynamic binding
is important for Emacs:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html#SEC17.

--

Some other background/discussion:

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DynamicBindingVsLexicalBinding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_scoping#Dynamic_scoping

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/321000/what-are-the-advantages-of-dynamic-sco
ping

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2979428/uses-for-dynamic-scope

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DynamicScoping

http://academic.udayton.edu/saverioperugini/courses/cps343/lecture_notes/scope.h
tml

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node43.html

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/07/monkeypatching-for-humans.html

http://devblog.avdi.org/2008/02/23/why-monkeypatching-is-destroying-ruby/




  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-17 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-04 13:01 sending function arguments to recursive function calls Gauthier Östervall
2013-05-04 15:30 ` Drew Adams
2013-05-07 11:25   ` Gauthier Östervall
2013-05-07 14:04     ` Drew Adams
2013-05-08 12:21       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-09  8:35         ` Gauthier Östervall
2013-05-09 12:23           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-12 13:19             ` Gauthier Östervall
2013-05-13 14:55               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-17 12:20                 ` Gauthier Östervall
2013-05-17 12:26                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-05-17 14:31                     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-05-19 16:57                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-05-21 16:34                         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.70.1368982677.22516.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-19 20:59                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-20 19:31                           ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.94.1369078320.22516.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-20 19:55                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-07 14:32     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]     ` <mailman.25279.1367935468.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-07 14:55       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-08 12:25         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-05  1:22 ` Stefan Monnier

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