From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5721: Feature request: Function that returnsabsolute coordinates Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:52:46 -0700 Message-ID: <2989ADE6BCAF46908BF3BA0344D9CC70@us.oracle.com> References: <4B9E4521.9030909@yahoo.co.jp> <4C2C8C02.1010906@swipnet.se> <37FD2C2D7248404ABDFD9FF671F9CB7A@us.oracle.com> <4C2CCE6E.4060105@swipnet.se> <41C052A3E5624691BFB99C8DFC97C007@us.oracle.com> <4C2CDDC2.9090104@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278010788 16106 80.91.229.12 (1 Jul 2010 18:59:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 5721@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv'"?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 01 20:59:46 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUOzC-0002cN-3P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 20:59:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52781 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUOzB-0005l3-NL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:59:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37821 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OUOz2-0005gg-CJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:59:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUOyx-0002xs-0e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:59:36 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38422) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUOyw-0002xj-VO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:59:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUOuc-00056F-7D; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:55:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5721 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 5721-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5721.127801045219590 (code B ref 5721); Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:55:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 5721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2010 18:54:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUOtn-00055v-R5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:54:12 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OUOtm-00055q-Ay for 5721@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:54:10 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o61Is45X016751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:54:05 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o61E8moB025818; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:54:01 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 375088781278010366; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:52:46 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:52:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4C2CDDC2.9090104@swipnet.se> Thread-Index: AcsZSuWRiFF9Pf2IQ76AF6S7nJoXYgAAebjA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4C2CE44A.019B:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:55:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:38183 Archived-At: > > Not the point. I did not ask you to implement it. I asked > > you to leave the feature request open. That way, someone > > who might be able to implement it might find it as a to-do. Thx. > > I don't think those working with w32 browse the bug tracker > to find tasks to do. How do you know? > But besides that, this is free software. Unless a bug > explicitly mentions w32, I do think it is done when it is > implemented for free systems (in this case, nextstep and X). > I will try to not break compilation for non-free > systems, but that is as far as I go. It's not about _you_. As I said before, your part might well be done - which you are repeating "as far as I go". But that does not mean that the requested feature is done, or that Emacs is done as far as the feature is concerned. You are not Emacs. Your Emacs development is not the same as Emacs development. > The state of Emacs should not depend on how well it performs > on non-free systems. The state of Emacs for a given platform depends on how well it performs on that platform. Emacs on w32 is Emacs. GNU Emacs on w32 is GNU Emacs. > If people want to use their time to get Emacs going on non-free > systems, that is up to them. Yes, it is. The bug/feature request is for "people" and for "Emacs", not just for you. > But the main drive for Emacs are free systems, I have no argument with that. > and those are the ones that must count w.r.t. bugs > and feature requests. No. There is nothing wrong with filing Emacs bugs and feature requests that affect w32. And there is nothing wrong with fixing them. They most certainly do count for Emacs. Features and bugs that are w32-specific are not "the main drive" for Emacs, but they count for Emacs. And so does the implementation on w32 of features (such as this one) which are not w32-specific. > If you can't implement it, file a new w32-specific bug. Done. Ridiculous, but done. If the feature originally requested were specific to a particular platform, then I would agree with you. IIUC, it is not. If that is correct, then there is no reason to file platform-specific versions of the feature.