From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default for the envelope From in smtpmail.el Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:06:57 -0700 Message-ID: <2962EC94-1044-47A5-A111-F4CBACFDCA0B@mit.edu> References: <0xwr16rzz5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83zk62c56n.fsf@gnu.org> <1usjbt9uzm.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87628pj727.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <19713425-C419-4A09-8D66-24717D761FE8@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344740830 25397 80.91.229.3 (12 Aug 2012 03:07:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 03:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 12 05:07:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T0OWD-0006AC-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 05:07:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44566 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T0OWC-0003L5-NI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:07:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47000) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T0OW8-0003L0-V2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:07:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T0OW7-0005uD-TG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:07:04 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu ([18.7.68.35]:58871) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T0OW6-0005tx-AP; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:07:02 -0400 X-AuditID: 12074423-b7f396d0000008f4-65-50271dd57a54 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 3B.A8.02292.5DD17205; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id q7C371tE028727; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:07:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.21] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.148.125]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id q7C36xlO000546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:07:00 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrIIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrHtVVj3AYF+npcXjBU9YLXoXnmR2 YPJom2YWwBjFZZOSmpNZllqkb5fAlXH+51GmgtU8FTPmHGJvYHzE2cXIySEhYCJx6VA3G4Qt JnHh3nogm4tDSGAfo8SDtTvYIZwNjBJnTx5nhHDOMkl8v/SeGaSFWUBL4sa/l0wgNq+AnsTs 9jksXYwcHMIClhK73pqBmGwCMkBTNUBMTgF9ienr6kGKWQRUJTpbZjJBDBGX+HG3jxXC1pZY tvA1M8RAK4lpre+g7uliktjd8B+sSERATuLvxVcsEEfLSnw/fJ5tAqPgLCQHzUJy0Cwkcxcw Mq9ilE3JrdLNTczMKU5N1i1OTszLSy3SNdPLzSzRS00p3cQICll2F+UdjH8OKh1iFOBgVOLh 5fqpFiDEmlhWXJl7iFGSg0lJlDdZSj1AiC8pP6UyI7E4I76oNCe1+BCjBAezkgjvrElA5bwp iZVVqUX5MClpDhYlcd5rKTf9hQTSE0tSs1NTC1KLYLIyHBxKErw2wNgUEixKTU+tSMvMKUFI M3FwggznARquB1LDW1yQmFucmQ6RP8WoKCXOKwKSEABJZJTmwfXCUsorRnGgV4R5jUCqeIDp CK77FdBgJqDB3zlAri4uSURISTUw8l527+wM5HgnJD5z/gW2xetPmiUfOWs9s+XY+7f7izlm Pym1lLXmzmDivdx/RVXEmV34b8e6DPNZj0LSz7j15wpJW837J7zoWfbVHT7/yufnlSXJT7xd deXl8usxgbNrvRfMO+3Uqhv/1rH8QcuSXY5Tsn9ME/X6cvOkmtvX8xUWFuuuzXAz X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 18.7.68.35 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:152449 Archived-At: On 11 Aug 2012, at 19:08, Glenn Morris wrote: >> I suspect that Glenn is talking about the case where Emacs is >> pretending to be an MTA. >=20 > Not as far as I know. I'm talking about plain old talking to an SMTP > server. Probably poor terminology on my part; I learned most of this when MSA = and MTA meant basically the same thing (if they were even coined). This = is the case that I meant: emacs speaking a network protocol, as opposed = to formatting a file and handing it off to a locale program for = delivery. In the case Stephen was talking about, local users needed privileges to = request an envelope-from (via comand-line switch or From: header) that's = not the username. Those systems are still out there, but many people = just use network services instead, entirely ignoring the local mail = systems. This is basically what emacs does when it talks directly to an = SMTP server. I'd be surprised that the current default ever worked, but with all the = changes to the SMTP infrastructure in the past several months, it seems = likely that everyone who cares fixes it for themselves (I used to do so = myself, with some simple wrapper code around the mail sending code). I was hoping to clarify for Stephen that you guys aren't talking about = the same cases (at least, it seemed to me that you weren't). I do agree = with you about the better default choice, although I also imagine that = it's still manually fixed by almost everyone who cares. I hope that helps. Sorry for adding to the noise. *Chad