From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <28a69757-3f3c-4cb1-bf1c-62e7e82be22d@googlegroups.com> References: <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3qnl70z.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <837fsfm7gq.fsf@gnu.org> <991d9b3f-e2f4-4977-9e78-99d39b04ede5@default> <53fc8fd4-2a3e-4937-bc17-6bf6d5bfff5a@googlegroups.com> <0d865b33-6751-4958-b61b-e0f2b3298a20@googlegroups.com> <83egmllmf0.fsf@gnu.org> <20150513074735.GB7600@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431658823 1356 80.91.229.3 (15 May 2015 03:00:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 03:00:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 05:00:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yt5rI-00005S-0x for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 05:00:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57501 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yt5rH-0005oN-Bh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 23:00:19 -0400 X-Received: by 10.236.3.36 with SMTP id 24mr10525536yhg.44.1431658573161; Thu, 14 May 2015 19:56:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.122.105 with SMTP id lr9mr618808igb.11.1431658573127; Thu, 14 May 2015 19:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!z60no432937qgd.0!news-out.google.com!kd3ni17617igb.0!nntp.google.com!j8no1224070igd.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.94.115.44; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.94.115.44 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 02:56:13 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:212163 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104448 Archived-At: On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 10:07:58 PM UTC+5:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: tomas > > Ad 1: I think an intro should blaze a wide track collecting the > > indispensable tools to get up and running (and only hinting at > > alternatives). > > I don't think this is practical, for at least 2 reasons: > > . the number of indispensable tools is very large > . the set of such tools is highly dependent on what you want to do > in Emacs > > > Which are the "indispensable tools" is very much a matter of taste > > and of "current fashion": it will vary over users and time. > > Exactly, so it is impractical to have them in an introductory text. This underscores the difference in profile of the user who needs a Drew tutorial and one who needs a Stefan tutorial The first being more educational the second more adverise-ial > > > Heck, I'm an old fart and *even on vi* (which I spell vim) I don't > > "HJKL" but use the cursor keys > > And yet the Vim tutorial starts with description of cursor motion. vim and emacs are the only apps (I know and in current wide use) that dont follow the cua- specification. Speaking of cua, before someone unwinds the usual spiel about "If you want Word use Word etc etc" it would be good to read the following from Doug Adams 1) everything that's already in the world when you're born is just normal; 2) anything that gets invented between then and before you turn thirty is incredibly exciting and creative and with any luck you can make a career out of it; 3) anything that gets invented after you're thirty is against the natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilisation as we know it until it's been around for about ten years when it gradually turns out to be alright really.