From: Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:56:12 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <28a69757-3f3c-4cb1-bf1c-62e7e82be22d@googlegroups.com> (raw)
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On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 10:07:58 PM UTC+5:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: tomas
> > Ad 1: I think an intro should blaze a wide track collecting the
> > indispensable tools to get up and running (and only hinting at
> > alternatives).
>
> I don't think this is practical, for at least 2 reasons:
>
> . the number of indispensable tools is very large
> . the set of such tools is highly dependent on what you want to do
> in Emacs
>
> > Which are the "indispensable tools" is very much a matter of taste
> > and of "current fashion": it will vary over users and time.
>
> Exactly, so it is impractical to have them in an introductory text.
This underscores the difference in profile of the user who needs a
Drew tutorial and one who needs a Stefan tutorial
The first being more educational the second more adverise-ial
>
> > Heck, I'm an old fart and *even on vi* (which I spell vim) I don't
> > "HJKL" but use the cursor keys
>
> And yet the Vim tutorial starts with description of cursor motion.
vim and emacs are the only apps (I know and in current wide use) that
dont follow the cua- specification.
Speaking of cua, before someone unwinds the usual spiel about "If you want Word
use Word etc etc" it would be good to read the following from Doug Adams
1) everything that's already in the world when you're born is just
normal;
2) anything that gets invented between then and before you turn
thirty is incredibly exciting and creative and with any luck you can
make a career out of it;
3) anything that gets invented after you're thirty is against the
natural order of things and the beginning of the end of civilisation
as we know it until it's been around for about ten years when it
gradually turns out to be alright really.
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2015-05-08 10:06 Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-08 10:36 ` Shakthi Kannan
2015-05-08 10:43 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-08 11:08 ` tomas
2015-05-08 11:18 ` Shakthi Kannan
2015-05-08 19:10 ` Bob Proulx
2015-05-08 19:35 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-10 2:48 ` Bob Proulx
[not found] ` <mailman.2686.1431226098.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-10 3:22 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-10 14:01 ` Rusi
2015-05-10 14:05 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-11 11:17 ` Phillip Lord
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2015-05-11 11:27 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-05-10 15:31 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-11 11:08 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-15 16:15 ` MBR
2015-05-15 18:45 ` Doug Lewan
[not found] ` <mailman.3085.1431715560.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-05-15 20:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-16 4:31 ` Yuri Khan
2015-05-18 20:57 ` Bob Proulx
2015-06-25 14:22 ` Ken Goldman
2015-06-26 15:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-26 20:21 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-26 22:42 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-27 19:29 ` MBR
2015-06-27 22:48 ` Emanuel Berg
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2015-06-28 3:45 ` Rusi
2015-06-28 14:34 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-28 15:36 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:53 ` Emanuel Berg
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2015-06-27 3:15 ` Rusi
2015-06-27 5:02 ` Bob Proulx
2015-06-27 8:25 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-27 11:56 ` Robert Thorpe
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2015-06-27 14:44 ` Rusi
2015-06-27 17:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-27 17:42 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-29 13:03 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-06-29 23:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30 4:38 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-06-30 23:26 ` Emanuel Berg
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2015-07-01 0:32 ` Dan Espen
2015-06-30 8:10 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-30 23:40 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30 16:56 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-07-01 0:00 ` Emanuel Berg
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2015-06-27 18:12 ` Rusi
2015-06-27 21:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-27 22:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-30 10:56 ` keyboard-macro facility recording commands (Was: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals) Steinar Bang
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2015-06-27 22:06 ` Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-06-27 22:40 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-28 14:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-28 15:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-25 14:16 ` Ken Goldman
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2015-05-15 20:15 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-08 10:53 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 13:39 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-08 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 14:38 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 15:09 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-08 15:41 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-05-08 21:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-09 10:00 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-10 14:31 ` Steinar Bang
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2015-05-08 14:50 ` Barry Margolin
2015-05-08 15:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 22:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-09 9:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 9:18 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-09 10:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-10 6:47 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-10 15:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 5:30 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-11 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-16 5:50 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-16 7:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-17 15:35 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-17 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-18 2:49 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-18 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-19 5:50 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-19 15:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-19 16:41 ` Filipp Gunbin
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2015-05-19 23:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-05-10 2:45 ` Bob Proulx
2015-05-11 10:53 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 16:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 18:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 20:38 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2015-05-12 3:22 ` Rusi
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2015-05-11 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-11 17:11 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-11 18:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 18:38 ` Drew Adams
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2015-05-12 4:07 ` Rusi
2015-05-12 8:15 ` Rasmus
2015-05-12 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-05-12 16:55 ` Rusi
2015-05-12 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-13 7:47 ` tomas
2015-05-13 12:10 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-05-13 12:32 ` tomas
2015-05-13 15:24 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-05-13 16:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-05-15 2:56 ` Rusi [this message]
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2015-05-15 11:12 ` Rusi
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2015-05-15 14:01 ` Rusi
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2015-05-13 1:09 ` Rusi
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2015-05-11 17:27 ` Rusi
2015-05-20 0:21 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-05-08 16:35 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2015-05-09 10:14 ` Vaidheeswaran C
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2015-05-08 13:34 ` notbob
2015-05-08 15:50 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-09 9:49 ` Vaidheeswaran C
2015-05-09 14:21 ` Jude DaShiell
2015-05-08 19:10 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-09 7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 8:07 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-09 8:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 17:34 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-05-11 11:02 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 17:20 ` Phillip Lord
2015-05-11 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-05-11 17:11 ` Drew Adams
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2015-05-09 22:59 ` Emanuel Berg
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