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From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>,
	"Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, paaguti@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: seq.el and the complexity of Emacs Lisp.
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2023 13:02:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2879d846-b711-ada0-cdc4-9adcb4e56040@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALDnm53DHne6-oPAf0B8rHG7mwp-X7178FtKTiH8TAcAOg5Lig@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/7/2023 2:24 AM, João Távora wrote:
> Presumably, it's good for handling custom sequence types, such as lazy
> lists.  That's a worthy goal, very worthy even, but this polymorphism comes
> at a runtime cost, of course.  And worthy as it may be, there's no use
> of that feature in the Emacs tree (as far as I can tell from quick greps),
> so it can't really be the "technical reason" for why seq.el is preloaded
> and or recommended.

I'd say this feature of seq is already in use, albeit not heavy use: 
Eshell uses some 'seq-FOO' functions in lisp/eshell/esh-var.el 
(specifically 'eshell-index-value') so that Eshell users can index into 
*any* sequence type, no matter what that type actually is.

(Careful observers will also note that 'eshell-index-value' underscores 
one of seq.el's limitations: it doesn't work with rings, so Eshell needs 
to special-case that.)

Overall, I think seq.el's abstractions are very useful, but perhaps they 
shouldn't be the only way to perform all the various algorithms they 
support. That is, seq.el is great when you want to accept any sequence 
type, but not so great if you know for sure that you have (say) a list. 
Some sort of type-annotation like Richard proposed could resolve this 
issue though: it would essentially allow us to turn what's usually a 
runtime dispatch into a compile-time dispatch. That's probably useful 
for all generic functions; not just seq.el.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-09 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-03  8:21 What's missing in ELisp that makes, people want to use cl-lib? Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03  9:27 ` João Távora
2023-11-03 10:43   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03 13:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 14:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:08     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:30         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:49             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-06  2:27   ` seq.el and the complexity of Emacs Lisp Richard Stallman
2023-11-06  6:51     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-06  7:16     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-07 10:24       ` João Távora
2023-11-09 21:02         ` Jim Porter [this message]
2023-11-09 21:20           ` João Távora
2023-11-09 23:49             ` Jim Porter
2023-11-09 23:53               ` Jim Porter
2023-11-10  2:31               ` João Távora
2023-11-10  3:27                 ` Jim Porter
2023-11-10 10:03               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 12:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-10 10:13             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-10 10:26               ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:30                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-08  3:08       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08  5:31         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-08  3:08       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-06  8:11     ` Björn Bidar
2023-11-06 12:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-06 21:43       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07  5:21         ` tomas
2023-11-07  5:50           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07  6:21           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 12:02             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-11-07 12:28               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 12:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 12:29               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 11:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 12:26           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08  3:08       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]     ` <874jhz9u8z.fsf@>
2023-11-06 12:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-06 12:50         ` Björn Bidar
2023-11-06 21:30           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07  7:35             ` Harald Judt
2023-11-07 10:14               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 12:26                 ` Harald Judt
2023-11-07 12:38                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-11-07 12:58                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 13:50                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 14:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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