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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:207924 Archived-At: > > I hope that: > > > > 1. The Lisp code distributed with Emacs will continue to include all > > that has been included before, so users do not need to use package.e= l > > etc. to obtain any of it. >=20 > I am suggesting that we enable the use of package.el as part of the > Emacs build to compile and generate the autoloads for packages in Emacs > core. Sounds good (IIUC). So you are talking not about users having to use package.el but just the Emacs build using package.el. > > 2. All Emacs Lisp code, apart from 3rd-party libraries, will continue > > to be available in .../lisp/, so users can easily grep for it and > > use `M-x find-library', without messing with packages. >=20 > This, I am suggesting we change, so that we have two locations for lisp > packages dependent on their file organisation. The lisp code will still > be available, though. I am no doubt a minority of one, but I do not want to have to use package.el at all, especially just to be able to use vanilla Emacs (standard distribution). > > 3. The source-code directory structure under .../lisp/ does not become > > any, or much, deeper. So far, *.el, */*.el, and */*/*.el are > > sufficient. >=20 > I would not want to change this. How does your answer here fit with your answer for #2? I would like to find everything under .../lisp/ still, with a simple subdir structure. But again, I'm no doubt a minority of one. Just saying what I prefer.