From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ctrl-[ ? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 09:42:03 +0900 Message-ID: <27B07876-3BD5-4C1E-9DD1-87EA34BB7B6E@traduction-libre.org> References: <08AC8151-5911-40FA-8B20-818B839D00AB@traduction-libre.org> <6F55E018-B15E-42B0-8794-21F55BBA23D3@traduction-libre.org> <34E3289C-10EE-4A23-AEE4-80D984DB2EDE@gnu.org> <6A538FF9-94C8-491D-B1B9-5C0D09FE7C39@acm.org> <838suesw93.fsf@gnu.org> <3580dbb9-73a8-d26a-5466-5799e3726c34@gmail.com> <83tvd2rd8b.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0995A9A8-4A14-4FCB-970F-F7A3D70966E8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="241438"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 10 02:43:19 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ha8P9-0010hL-2h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 02:43:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39296 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ha8P7-0003aE-KR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 20:43:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39432) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ha8OJ-0003a4-Fr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 20:42:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ha8OI-0002if-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 20:42:27 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:57557) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ha8OG-0002fp-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 20:42:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.254.2.133] (unknown [210.160.37.44]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F300100003 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 00:42:09 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 217.70.178.231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:237384 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_0995A9A8-4A14-4FCB-970F-F7A3D70966E8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Jun 10, 2019, at 9:23, Stefan Kangas wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii writes: >> IMO, being able to bind C-[ to something else is not an important >> feature, not enough to break the compatibility. But that's me. > > Perhaps it makes sense from a compatibility standpoint, but I > suspect that many users would be surprised by the inability to > rebind C-[ or C-i. (Binding C-i also rebinds TAB.) Yes ! > Would it make sense to show a warning when trying to bind keys such as > C-[ or C-i? (Or, perhaps better, to show it in the "*Help*" buffer? > C-h k C-[ only shows "ESC- " when I try, though.) Yes, that's when I started to be confused... > Would it make sense to introduce a variable to turn this behaviour off > in a graphical environment? The default could stay as is. Yes :) Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune --Apple-Mail=_0995A9A8-4A14-4FCB-970F-F7A3D70966E8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Jun 10, 2019, at 9:23, Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> = wrote:

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
IMO, being able to bind C-[ to something else = is not an important
feature, not enough to break the = compatibility.  But that's me.

Perhaps it makes sense from a compatibility standpoint, but = I
suspect that many users would be surprised by the = inability to
rebind C-[ or C-i.  (Binding C-i also = rebinds TAB.)

Yes !

Would it make sense to show a = warning when trying to bind keys such as
C-[ or C-i? =  (Or, perhaps better, to show it in the "*Help*" buffer?
C-h k C-[ only shows "ESC- " when I try, though.)

Yes, = that's when I started to be confused...

Would it make = sense to introduce a variable to turn this behaviour off
in = a graphical environment?  The default could stay as is.

Yes = :)


Jean-Christophe Helary
-----------------------------------------------
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune


= --Apple-Mail=_0995A9A8-4A14-4FCB-970F-F7A3D70966E8--