From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Emacs setup assistants Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:12:41 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <2719-Fri21May2004201241+0300-eliz@gnu.org> References: <87zn847n6a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <1438-Thu20May2004203119+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <4nd64y29zc.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085160727 31901 80.91.224.253 (21 May 2004 17:32:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 21 19:32:00 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BRDsG-0000l9-00 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 19:32:00 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BRDsG-0005eG-00 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 19:32:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BRDpd-0003HS-Lb for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 13:29:18 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BRDns-0002xJ-6m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 13:27:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BRDnJ-0002oD-BF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 13:27:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.23] (helo=aragorn.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BRDnI-0002nT-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 May 2004 13:26:53 -0400 Original-Received: from zaretski (pns03-194-251.inter.net.il [80.230.194.251]) by aragorn.inter.net.il (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with ESMTP id CXR13604; Fri, 21 May 2004 20:14:11 +0300 (IDT) Original-To: Ted Zlatanov X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: <4nd64y29zc.fsf@lifelogs.com> (message from Ted Zlatanov on Thu, 20 May 2004 15:07:35 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23822 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:14784 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23822 > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:07:35 -0400 > > You're thinking like a programmer and/or power user :) > > Normal users rarely appreciate this sort of view of the wizard > sequence. Then what _do_ they prefer? > The point is, give the user the illusion of a straight decision line > that they can use back and forth consistently. I agree, but where did my suggestion deviate from this principle? > > Other buttons or links could lead to advanced customization options > > and in-depth descriptions for those who want that. > > That's a good idea, but it should be clearly separated from the > regular assistant. Maybe @assistantadvanced tags should be used to > surround such options, and the user can show or hide them. A button labeled "Advanced" should be good enough. > I absolutely agree Customize could be useful. So far in my > experiments to find a useful syntax, I have been doing something like > this: > > @ifassistant If we go for Texinfo-like syntax, I'd suggest to choose one that will not require changes in the Texinfo language and its existing parsers. Here's one possibility to do that: @ignore @c assistant @node Hello, choose a server @variable server :string "default.server.com" @text You can define the server: @variable{server} @end text .... @end ignore @c end assistant