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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:238532 Archived-At: > But also there is not any answer/suggestion about what to do with the > irregular indentation in Lisp... Since you've asked that a couple times now, here's my take on it. It's not at all _needed_ for Lisp. And personally I wouldn't find it useful for Lisp. Lisp has simple syntax - it's sufficient to balance parens. Automatic and on-demand indentation work off of that syntax. And most Lisp code does not have many-line stretches with a large indentation, so you don't often need to worry about line-of-sight alignment. And checking column number is easy enough for any exceptional cases. Many other languages are different. For them I can see how it could be useful for some users. Just one opinion.