From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adrian Robert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Pager" page-up and -down, why not merge? Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:29:38 -0400 Message-ID: <2705E515-6ABD-47F4-8952-924ED209A196@interstitiality.net> References: <5896C8E2-D065-4B8E-927F-8784062241EF@interstitiality.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212582616 28196 80.91.229.12 (4 Jun 2008 12:30:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:30:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs- devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 04 14:30:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K3s8d-0000AZ-4q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:30:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52614 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K3s7q-0003QA-KF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:29:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K3s7k-0003Mf-N3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:29:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K3s7j-0003LX-Uf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:29:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41920 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K3s7j-0003LM-NR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:29:51 -0400 Original-Received: from theta.genwebserver.com ([72.18.148.146]:59353) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K3s7j-0001Gj-A7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:29:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [97.73.30.9] (helo=[192.168.10.101]) by theta.genwebserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K3s7g-0000vQ-AQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:29:51 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - theta.genwebserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - interstitiality.net X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98382 Archived-At: On Jun 4, 2008, at 7:13 AM, Richard M Stallman wrote: > seem to be an improvement over the existing definitions of scroll- > down > and scroll-up in emacs. In particular, hitting sequences like > [next] > or Ctrl-v followed by [previous] or M-v leaves point in the same > place, which is very calming. > > That in itself is a good thing, but ISTR that the simple > implementations of this had bad effects in other cases. > To do the job right requires something much more complex > which people usually don't bother trying to do. If anyone who uses Emacs.app or could try out the elisp I posted could provide specifics on such misbehavior, that would be great. I did improve the implementations in a couple of respects after feedback from the Emacs.app user base, and complaints have died off. ;-)