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Sat, 15 Apr 2023 08:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <87o7nppf3y.fsf@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260043 Archived-At: On 15/04/2023 14:19, Kévin Le Gouguec wrote: > If I may throw in my ¢2: in Emacs ≤28, users never had a choice between > a "installing the newest Eglot from GNU ELPA" and "requiring that Eglot > be available, possibly not the latest & greatest". They could only > request the former. > > It's anyone's guess which of those two things users who cargo-cult those > configuration lines would prefer, now that the question is up in the air > for Emacs 29. FWIW, I'd lean toward the latter: IMHO, package-install, > resp. (use-package … :ensure t), merely suggest ensuring availability, > not proactively ugprading to the latest (unlike say "package-update"). > > So I wouldn't be shocked for package-install to be a no-op for :core > packages, the semantics being "make sure the package is present, > favoring any built-in version which presumably underwent lots of > validation & stability fixes on the release branch". I can easily buy this argument (and made it myself in a different form, I think), but the problem is, there is no easily discoverable way for the user to force the upgrade. They'll need to hunt the docs for how to do that. > ( > Although I can understand that, in the _specific_ context of an LSP > client that is in active development & "competing" with a MELPA-only > alternative, it is a bit of a bummer that M-x package-install 𝒫 will > yield something that users might consider "inferior" feature-wise when > 𝒫=eglot. A bit of a bummer, but not a deal-breaker IMO; as long as > "M-x package-list U x" brings the latest & greatest, I still think > package-install's behaviour change re. eglot in Emacs 29 is > defensible. > ) 'M-x package-list U x' does not upgrade built-in Eglot either, AFAIU.